If you don't have PCIe - Would you like an AGP 7800 or X1800 ?

[Ronin]

Originally posted by: Cooler
whoever realeses the next high end agp will make bunch load of money.

Based on current numbers, ATi would probably be the only one to really benefit from that (I say this because nVidia has had some very solid numbers, and look to keep them that way with the 512MB GTX release, I imagine). They've lost 6 months of market share (well, 5 and a half, I suppose), and doing such a thing would perhaps put them back in a lot of the naysayer's good graces.

Whether that happens or not, remains to be seen.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

No. AGP seems to sell cheaper for those who don't want a new computer. If they cancelled AGP it might cause prices on PCI-E parts to fall.

 

[dfloyd]

You should add a choice stating that since the AGP counterpat is going to cost more than the PCI-E counterpart and a new motherboard combined would you still choose that route?

 

[daveybrat]

I still LOVE my current setup.....and i don't have any reason to upgrade a 3GHz P4 cpu yet.


I'd really like to just upgrade my Video card without all the drama and cost of upgrading motherboards and processors.

Pleeeeease make a 7800GT AGP! :thumbsup:

 

[Jedi2155]

It would be crazy for ATI to release a X1800 AGP atm as they still can't supply enough PCI-E chips as it is.

 

[ITPaladin]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: rise4310
i think we need more polls like this. clearly ati and nv aren't getting the message.

Have you guys signed the online petition for more/newer AGP cards?

Somebody posted a link to it not too long ago. Perhaps more signatures would be compelling.

I'm starting to feel that I would prefer someone make a PCIe>AGP adapter, similar to IDE>SATA adapter for HDDs. Don't know if such a thingy is possible, but if they can put a bridge on the card, maybe so.

That way I could shop for a PCIe card instead of an AGP card. I'm worried the AGP cards are gonna be overpriced compared to the PCIe versions.

Fern

I have found that agp seems to cost more than equivalent pci-e when looking on ebay.

 

[gsellis]

Just as a late followup, found these benchmarks today. I am 3.06 @533 vs the 3.6 @ 800 they used, but the percentage increase does not yet justify spending for a new mainboard with money I need for HDV

Charlies White Benchmarks Xeon vs Mac vs Opteron for Video

Your dog wants AGP

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Jedi2155
It would be crazy for ATI to release a X1800 AGP atm as they still can't supply enough PCI-E chips as it is.

we don't mean "now" . . . in a month or so when the supply is good .

 

[Chadder007]

Originally posted by: Paratus
No no no my P4 3.2 is too antiquated to use a GTX or X1800XT especially compared to those brand new intel dual cores that run at 3.2G or that X2 3800. I'd be better of sending donkeys back and forth between the card and the CPU to exchange data then dare ask ATI or NVIDIA to go bankrupt trying use their existing bridge chips on these new cards to run on my turn of the century tech rig. No it would just be damn selfish of me to ask for one more AGP card while there is little difference between a highend AGP or PCIE rig. Besides my money is "AGP" money and not really useful as legal tender so it's not like I represent an untapped market.

:werd: at sarcasm. I guess they just don't want the large market of AGP users to be purchasing any new cards?

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: rise4310
i think we need more polls like this. clearly ati and nv aren't getting the message.

Have you guys signed the online petition for more/newer AGP cards?

Somebody posted a link to it not too long ago. Perhaps more signatures would be compelling.

I'm starting to feel that I would prefer someone make a PCIe>AGP adapter, similar to IDE>SATA adapter for HDDs. Don't know if such a thingy is possible, but if they can put a bridge on the card, maybe so.

That way I could shop for a PCIe card instead of an AGP card. I'm worried the AGP cards are gonna be overpriced compared to the PCIe versions.

Fern

i believe there is an adapter . . . i ran across one but it was for a very specific application . . . since there ARE bridge chips, ati or its partner can easily do this - IF they sense demand.

Hi Mark

I've been googling around. All I could find was an announncement (no price info) by Albatron IIRC about an adapter that is for AGP>PCIe. I.e., using an AGP card in a PCIe mobo. Looks like you gotta use a half-height card too because of the height of the adapter/bridge.

Not much help to me though. I wanna upgrade my CARD, not my mobo/cpu :disgust:

BTW: I'm back to playing PK BOoH ATM

Fern

 

[Paratus]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: rise4310
i think we need more polls like this. clearly ati and nv aren't getting the message.

Have you guys signed the online petition for more/newer AGP cards?

Somebody posted a link to it not too long ago. Perhaps more signatures would be compelling.

I'm starting to feel that I would prefer someone make a PCIe>AGP adapter, similar to IDE>SATA adapter for HDDs. Don't know if such a thingy is possible, but if they can put a bridge on the card, maybe so.

That way I could shop for a PCIe card instead of an AGP card. I'm worried the AGP cards are gonna be overpriced compared to the PCIe versions.

Fern

i believe there is an adapter . . . i ran across one but it was for a very specific application . . . since there ARE bridge chips, ati or its partner can easily do this - IF they sense demand.

Hi Mark

I've been googling around. All I could find was an announncement (no price info) by Albatron IIRC about an adapter that is for AGP>PCIe. I.e., using an AGP card in a PCIe mobo. Looks like you gotta use a half-height card too because of the height of the adapter/bridge.

Not much help to me though. I wanna upgrade my CARD, not my mobo/cpu :disgust:

BTW: I'm back to playing PK BOoH ATM

Fern

I beginning to think the marketing departments at both ATI and Nvidia are asleep at the wheel.

ATI's because they are having so many problems getting new products out the door on time in good numbers and Nvidias because they want to soak the customer for every last buck before releasing an AGP card.

I beginning to hope the X1800 series doesn't sell well so it forces them to sell to those who would buy it - us.

 

[pcmax]

I would also agree ATI is probably the only hope here at least initially and a slim one at that. Remember what chipset that probably 2/3's of the PCIe motherboards being sold are using so yet another reason for Nvidia to try and force people to convert, b@stages I want my 7800GT AGP too!

 

[Soubriquet]

I dont mind, either would do. These guys dont seem to realise their job is not to tell us what to want, they should be giving us what WE want, our job is to pay the bill. Everytime they try to manipulate the market they slow down the economy, like the XP shunt IMHO.

Is not just the mobo/CPU expense I am looking at, there is the PSU 24pin and for me none of the 64 mobos I like seem to take take the SLK 900U heatsink (a major investment) because the manfacturers have their minds elsewhere. Upgrade cost for me would be £600 including a 7800GT plain jane, that is $1030 USD.

I have a perfectly good Barton, King of AMD 32 bit, clocked it to 200 FSB np with dual channel RAM. I know the 64bit have the HTT and L2 onchip but the real world performance gain is max 20%. I mean they have a 3200 rating and I already have 3000. How do you justify $1030 USD for that ?

5-6 years ago I did not upgrade until I hade a 240% clock increase lol :laugh: (233 to 800 and later 800 to 1.8+G) so this arm-twisting for 64bit is bogus IMHO. The market will have a hiccup as customer capital is diverted into some other life enhancing product that will get them more for their money and serve them right for overcooking it.

Me for example, I am buying nice furniture and TV stuff, forget the PC for now.

 

[CP5670]

Did anything come out of that Diamond AGP X1800XL card? I'm planning to buy a PCIE board anyway since my current one has been giving me some problems recently, but I would be interested to see if anyone got one of those.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: CP5670
Did anything come out of that Diamond AGP X1800XL card? I'm planning to buy a PCIE board anyway since my current one has been giving me some problems recently, but I would be interested to see if anyone got one of those.

? AGP Version includes VIVO
still listed

 

[Paratus]

If it was a misprint, by now they must know they would make some money on an AGP X1800 card from all the publicity they got!


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[BlingBlingArsch]

i guess we wont see many of these AGP models.

 

[Auric]

The NVIDIA part has been out for quite awhile already while ATI's was delayed so both will be superceded shortly and as such I would rather wait a bit for the next models, particularly for better price/performance from a mid to high-end offering (whether PCIe or AGP) since the current generation offer little performance improvement over the previous.

 

[Soubriquet]

bling, not from nVidia, not without pushing, they have too much invested in 64 mobo chipset silicon, their mobo outfit are in my experience (esp driver wise) ruthless and incompetent, not a good combo. They act like a 15 yr old with a new bb gun.

ATI is going the same way but as yet has more to gain from AGP upgrades rather than skewing the entire market to leverage its mobos, so I guess ATI will push nVidia into the AGP frame, but who will keep an eye on ATI ?

I expect the nV 7800 AGP parts will arrive close on the heels of the ATI 1800 parts widely predicted. At this juncture I dont think its cool to have GFX makers making mobo chips.

As for generations, worthiness is a matter of bang for buck when you are upgrading from several generations ago. I am amazed that the best middle range PCIe today 6800GS can only offer 100% over my overclocked 9700 which still pulls over 5000 on 3dMark03. As for mid range AGP, its a bit of a damp squib at the moment I have to say, the 6600GT is not a big help though at least it has SShader3, but the functionality and speed of an ATI 1800 part might draw me in. The top parts are IMHO overpriced, I remember I was upset when I paid £250 for a Geforce2 top of the line, personally that is my ceiling, evidently not everyone's. Its a free market!

 

[Steelski]

HMMMMMMMM
I voted no because i would like to upgrade my CPU aswell. It would make sence to change at the time.

 

[MrEPinky]

I bought an AGP mobo for an AMD64 939 shortly before the big PCI-e push. I'm not really enthusiastic about forking over another $500 to upgrade my mobo and video. If an AGP option becomes available, I can hold out until the next generation of cards. SLI seems good now, but honestly, how many people will spend cash on a second card rather than upgrading to next gen when it's released? Just take a look at how well the 6800 SLI is selling when compared to the 7800.

I'm all for an AGP option. Hopefully it will hit before the holidays because my ATI 9600 is tired.

 

[kurt454]

I made the swap to PCIe/7800GT about a month ago. I sell alot of my old systems locally. Some of you guys could sell your current systems to help pay for the motherboard needed. I would not vote against a high end AGP card. If you get one, then great. How horrible are the 6800GTs that some of you already have? Can you not wait 6 more months and change your platform as well?

How often do you update your core platform? Not trying to generate flames here. I am curious.