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BD2003

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Rapidskies
Would I be allowed to give warning shots? If I was allowed to shoots a few rounds off the planes nose just to let them know that I meant business and get some live fire exercises then I would feel ok in taking the final shot. This way they at least have a warning of some type before I would have to bring that puppies down.

If theyre on route to crash the plane into a building, I highly doubt a "warning shot" is going to deter them. If anything, it would only increase the horror for the passengers.
 

thegimp03

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Of course. I have no sympathy for terrorists. I'd blow them out of the sky. In the end, you are saving more lives than you're taking. It's simple cost benefit analysis.
 

b0mbrman

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: swtethan
i would let kurt russel inside the plane take out those fools


executive decision

As long as Steven Seagal dies in the process.

And Wesley Snipes peeks his head around the corner to remind them how they should bet in roulette (Hint: black)
 

Wheezer

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yes.

anyone who could not or would not bring themselves to do it, should not be in the cockpit of a fighter.
 

Madwand1

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Yes, if I was a fighter pilot in a modern army, I'd be completely brainwashed / trained to be a yes sir soldier with fast responses, and would certainly pull the trigger immediately after validating the order as per procedural requirements.

No, this would not be an effective deterrent, because terrorists are out to kill, and if you do that killing for them, that's fine too.

At best this would be damage reduction, say from the entire plane + something else to just the entire plane.
 

Tiamat

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If I were also to be ordered to call the families of those on the plane, I wouldn't be able to follow the order.
 

jadinolf

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I flew over Germany during WWII and shot down as many Jerry planes as I could find.
 

Rapidskies

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Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: Rapidskies
Would I be allowed to give warning shots? If I was allowed to shoots a few rounds off the planes nose just to let them know that I meant business and get some live fire exercises then I would feel ok in taking the final shot. This way they at least have a warning of some type before I would have to bring that puppies down.

If theyre on route to crash the plane into a building, I highly doubt a "warning shot" is going to deter them. If anything, it would only increase the horror for the passengers.

Then I would most likelies shoot the windows out of the cockpit and render the terrorists unconscious giving the passengers a chance to get at the controls of the the plane. This should disuade the passengers horrors.
 

merlocka

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You have to shoot it down to get past that level. The passengers just respawn anyway.
 

CKDragon

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Originally posted by: Rapidskies
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: Rapidskies
Would I be allowed to give warning shots? If I was allowed to shoots a few rounds off the planes nose just to let them know that I meant business and get some live fire exercises then I would feel ok in taking the final shot. This way they at least have a warning of some type before I would have to bring that puppies down.

If theyre on route to crash the plane into a building, I highly doubt a "warning shot" is going to deter them. If anything, it would only increase the horror for the passengers.

Then I would most likelies shoot the windows out of the cockpit and render the terrorists unconscious giving the passengers a chance to get at the controls of the the plane. This should disuade the passengers horrors.

???

Maybe I'm just missing something, but if you shoot the windows out of the cockpit wouldn't the crazy air-pressure differential make it pretty impossible to get to the controls?
 

dighn

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Originally posted by: CKDragon
Originally posted by: Rapidskies

Then I would most likelies shoot the windows out of the cockpit and render the terrorists unconscious giving the passengers a chance to get at the controls of the the plane. This should disuade the passengers horrors.

???

Maybe I'm just missing something, but if you shoot the windows out of the cockpit wouldn't the crazy air-pressure differential make it pretty impossible to get to the controls?

is it even possible to shoot that accurately? probably the very best you could do is shoot up the entire cockpit section rendering it useless

in any case, I don't think a pilot has the luxury of choosing in such a situation. the ones giving the order would have a clearer view of the picture.
 

alkemyst

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wrong forum for this thread.

I think I could do it, but I am not a fighter pilot.
 

yosuke188

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Originally posted by: CKDragon
Originally posted by: Rapidskies
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: Rapidskies
Would I be allowed to give warning shots? If I was allowed to shoots a few rounds off the planes nose just to let them know that I meant business and get some live fire exercises then I would feel ok in taking the final shot. This way they at least have a warning of some type before I would have to bring that puppies down.

If theyre on route to crash the plane into a building, I highly doubt a "warning shot" is going to deter them. If anything, it would only increase the horror for the passengers.

Then I would most likelies shoot the windows out of the cockpit and render the terrorists unconscious giving the passengers a chance to get at the controls of the the plane. This should disuade the passengers horrors.

???

Maybe I'm just missing something, but if you shoot the windows out of the cockpit wouldn't the crazy air-pressure differential make it pretty impossible to get to the controls?

You would enter the cokpit and be blown out into the sky and start free falling
 

RaistlinZ

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Here's a question for y'all...

Would you still shoot the plane down if you knew all of your close family members were on board? Wife, children, parents, etc.
 

newParadigm

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I'd wait till there was no more time left, to try and let the passengers regain control.
 

BD2003

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Originally posted by: Rapidskies
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: Rapidskies
Would I be allowed to give warning shots? If I was allowed to shoots a few rounds off the planes nose just to let them know that I meant business and get some live fire exercises then I would feel ok in taking the final shot. This way they at least have a warning of some type before I would have to bring that puppies down.

If theyre on route to crash the plane into a building, I highly doubt a "warning shot" is going to deter them. If anything, it would only increase the horror for the passengers.

Then I would most likelies shoot the windows out of the cockpit and render the terrorists unconscious giving the passengers a chance to get at the controls of the the plane. This should disuade the passengers horrors.

The passengers would be rendered unconscious, and you're not exactly going to open your canopy (would render YOU unconscious), and perfectly aim a handgun into a window while flying at 600mph.

All we need is wireless remote controls and an override, and we don't have to discuss this stupidity.
 

miniMUNCH

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I'd do it...1000's of lives versus hundreds. The decision to pull the trigger would be the easy part... watching the missle(s) hit the plane would be hard.
 

giantpinkbunnyhead

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Originally posted by: Rapidskies
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: Rapidskies
Would I be allowed to give warning shots? If I was allowed to shoots a few rounds off the planes nose just to let them know that I meant business and get some live fire exercises then I would feel ok in taking the final shot. This way they at least have a warning of some type before I would have to bring that puppies down.

If theyre on route to crash the plane into a building, I highly doubt a "warning shot" is going to deter them. If anything, it would only increase the horror for the passengers.

Then I would most likelies shoot the windows out of the cockpit and render the terrorists unconscious giving the passengers a chance to get at the controls of the the plane. This should disuade the passengers horrors.

If you do that, the whole cabin would depressurize... further, the passengers would become incapacitated first because the O2 available in the quick-donning crew masks in the cockpit is provided under forced pressure. The dinky yellow-cup-and-bag masks are rebreathers and useless above ~25,000-30,000 feet anyway. At that ambient pressure altitude, it doesn't matter if you have O2 or not... you don't have the pressure available to get it pushed through to the blood stream. If you shoot the windows out, and don't hit the terrorists, and they are smart enough to put the O2 masks on... they'll be breathing just fine.

Of course... this whole premise negates the probability that, lacking windows, the cockpit would sink to -40 F and be exposed to oncoming winds of 500 mph, which can't possibly be a detriment!

Also this assumes the plane is at altitude when fired upon by out hypothetical fighter pilot.
 

Rapidskies

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Originally posted by: giantpinkbunnyhead
Originally posted by: Rapidskies
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: Rapidskies
Would I be allowed to give warning shots? If I was allowed to shoots a few rounds off the planes nose just to let them know that I meant business and get some live fire exercises then I would feel ok in taking the final shot. This way they at least have a warning of some type before I would have to bring that puppies down.

If theyre on route to crash the plane into a building, I highly doubt a "warning shot" is going to deter them. If anything, it would only increase the horror for the passengers.

Then I would most likelies shoot the windows out of the cockpit and render the terrorists unconscious giving the passengers a chance to get at the controls of the the plane. This should disuade the passengers horrors.

If you do that, the whole cabin would depressurize... further, the passengers would become incapacitated first because the O2 available in the quick-donning crew masks in the cockpit is provided under forced pressure. The dinky yellow-cup-and-bag masks are rebreathers and useless above ~25,000-30,000 feet anyway. At that ambient pressure altitude, it doesn't matter if you have O2 or not... you don't have the pressure available to get it pushed through to the blood stream. If you shoot the windows out, and don't hit the terrorists, and they are smart enough to put the O2 masks on... they'll be breathing just fine.

Of course... this whole premise negates the probability that, lacking windows, the cockpit would sink to -40 F and be exposed to oncoming winds of 500 mph, which can't possibly be a detriment!

Also this assumes the plane is at altitude when fired upon by out hypothetical fighter pilot.

I have given this much of my thoughts throught the last days and have comein up with a solutions. Your points are well theorized but are open to my imaginations.

A. We must persuade the terrorists to lower their altitudes before I can shoot out their cockpits windows. How to do this to unincorigible terrorists? Shoot holes in the wings until the area of the wing has less force that it will create a slow descension of the planes. You would have to make sure to create an equal force on each wing.

B. Once the alititudes have been lowered then I could shoot the windows and terrorists out of the cockpits.

3. I could then talk the passengers through landing the planes safely.
 

CVSiN

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Originally posted by: Atheus
Yea - this is why I'm not a fighter pilot... actually I'm not a fighter pilot because I failed _one_ of their damn stupid eye tests. Just about off the charts on everything else and because I can't pick the fvcking numbers out of the dots I'm supposed to be color blind? Bolox.

thats a pretty important test there bud.. you see Aircraft Anticollision lights are red and green... therefore you wouldnt be able to tell if that A/C was coming or going...
you cannot work on the flightline/flightdeck if youre color blind either..


and yes Having served in the USN I can tell you that I could and do as I was ordered to do.. they way they teach you to objectify things helps... therefore you're not killing people you're killing a machine piloted by someone that means to do harm..
nothing else at that point matters.

 

kenji4life

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: swtethan
i would let kurt russel inside the plane take out those fools


executive decision

As long as Steven Seagal dies in the process.


Seriously, I think I'd do it because I'd know that even though my action would result in the deaths of hundreds of people, my inaction would result in the deaths of thousands.

I just hope the grief over killing so many innocent people wouldn't lead to my eventual suicide.


that's why someone like yourself should just kamikaze into it instead.
 

0roo0roo

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sure, just followin orders. responsibility is with others ..higher ups so it becomes much easier.