If we got rid of illegal immigrants

[Aimster]

simple yes/no and explanation.

Cause I heard they are costing hospitals thousands each. Are they costing the govt. any money?

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Are they costing the govt. any money?

Here is just one piece
http://www.californiahealthline.org/index.cfm?Action=dspItem&itemID=111091

^^^ that is very ugly .. read through it

--- be careful .. the bleeding heart catholic will come in here and call me a racist for posting anything pertaining to immigration

 

[fitzov]

The conclusion of free healthcare is a bit far-reaching and unrealistic, I think, in terms of our political climate. To have free and universal health care would require massive govt. regulation in health insurance that would meet alot of resistance from the industry.

 

[Drift3r]

It does not really matter anyways because any attempt for a national health care system or to require health care to be provided by all employeers would be blocked and shutdown ASAP.

P.S. The biggest culprit in raising health care costs for hospitals are not illegal immigrants but massive amounts of uninsured Americans or just plan bad paper work in which a person's health insurance is not noted down when someone is checked into a hospital. This happened to me before in the past when I went in for a broken leg to the hospital and front desk staff failed to correctly write down my health insurance info and thus I had to spend weeks trying to get my HMO to cover the costs.

 

[ExpertNovice]

It would help but we would also have to stop other practices before reaching such a goal.

Fascist groups wants to control all medical operations and this will be opposed. However, while the push for such control failed in 1992 it will most likely succeed by 2016.

 

[judasmachine]

even if they saved us money it'd just be spent on yet another squadron of F-22s or another B-2.

 

[Witling]

No, we wouldn't get free health care. May I remind you that for 40 years we "fought" the Cold War. When it ended everyone thought that there would be a peace dividend. We downsized the military and, wonder of wonder, rejected a weapons system or two. I'm not exactly sure where the saved money went, but the government is way more in debt that it was when the Cold War ended. [EDITED] And, I know of no major social program that has been started since the Cold War ended. Indeed, the trend has been to reduce social services and shift the cost of them to the states.

 

[daclayman]

Originally posted by: Witling
No, we wouldn't get free health care. May I remind you that for 40 years we "fought" the Cold War. When it ended everyone thought that there would be a peace dividend. We downsized the military and, wonder of wonder, rejected a weapons system or two. I'm not exactly sure where the saved money went, but the government is way more in debt that it was when the Cold War ended. [EDITED] And, I know of no major social program that has been started since the Cold War ended. Indeed, the trend has been to reduce social services and shift the cost of them to the states.

I'm not complaing, but I'm pretty sure it was a 'war dividend'. This post is spot on, as dire as it predicts.

 

[daveshel]

Well, it certainly would bring us closer to that goal if it weren't a free-for-all. I live in Tucson, which is like 70 miles from Mexico. A couple of years ago the County had to close a big hospital because it had become a bottomless pit. Conceptually, I'd like to say we should outgrow national boundaries, but operationally, I don't want to see the social programs I fund with my hard-earned $$ co-opted by those unwilling to play the game by the rules.

 

[Stunt]

No.
Illegals contribute to the economy in various ways; consumers, more efficient labour markets, larger profits/revenues for companies, corporate taxation (various forms). The costs associated with finding the illegals deporting them and developing an elaborate way to keep them out would cost insane amounts of money. All these losses would contribute to an unreasonable and more expensive solution.

The best thing you could do for the economy, tax revenues and whatever else you want to spend money on...is make illegals...legal. This way you receive the tax revenues, all them to take out loans for housing, become another debt ridden american. The US economy thrives on an overspending consumer; why not make 13million more in your own backyard.

Lets be practical people...
If nobody broke laws think of all the money you'd save.
If nobody got sick think of all the money you'd save.
Deporting all the illegals is just as unreasonable.

 

[jrenz]

The biggest culprit in raising health care costs for hospitals are not illegal immigrants but massive amounts of uninsured Americans

That's not the cause, it's the effect. When healthcare costs go up, insurance costs rise for those of us who are legal citizens. Illegals are not trying to get insurance.

 

[jrenz]

Originally posted by: Stunt
No.
Illegals contribute to the economy in various ways; consumers, more efficient labour markets, larger profits/revenues for companies, corporate taxation (various forms). The costs associated with finding the illegals deporting them and developing an elaborate way to keep them out would cost insane amounts of money. All these losses would contribute to an unreasonable and more expensive solution.

The best thing you could do for the economy, tax revenues and whatever else you want to spend money on...is make illegals...legal. This way you receive the tax revenues, all them to take out loans for housing, become another debt ridden american. The US economy thrives on an overspending consumer; why not make 13million more in your own backyard.

Lets be practical people...
If nobody broke laws think of all the money you'd save.
If nobody got sick think of all the money you'd save.
Deporting all the illegals is just as unreasonable.

*yawn*

 

[CessnaFlyer]

Originally posted by: judasmachine
even if they saved us money it'd just be spent on yet another squadron of F-22s or another B-2.

You say that, like it would be bad!

 

[CessnaFlyer]

And, I know of no major social program that has been started since the Cold War ended.

The medical perscriptions program.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: CessnaFlyer

And, I know of no major social program that has been started since the Cold War ended.

The medical perscriptions program.

Which was started by Clinton, right? :roll:

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: jrenz

Originally posted by: Stunt
No.
Illegals contribute to the economy in various ways; consumers, more efficient labour markets, larger profits/revenues for companies, corporate taxation (various forms). The costs associated with finding the illegals deporting them and developing an elaborate way to keep them out would cost insane amounts of money. All these losses would contribute to an unreasonable and more expensive solution.

The best thing you could do for the economy, tax revenues and whatever else you want to spend money on...is make illegals...legal. This way you receive the tax revenues, all them to take out loans for housing, become another debt ridden american. The US economy thrives on an overspending consumer; why not make 13million more in your own backyard.

Lets be practical people...
If nobody broke laws think of all the money you'd save.
If nobody got sick think of all the money you'd save.
Deporting all the illegals is just as unreasonable.

*yawn*

Does that count as a rebuttal these days? pathetic.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Stunt
No.
Illegals contribute to the economy in various ways; consumers, more efficient labour markets, larger profits/revenues for companies, corporate taxation (various forms). The costs associated with finding the illegals deporting them and developing an elaborate way to keep them out would cost insane amounts of money. All these losses would contribute to an unreasonable and more expensive solution.

The best thing you could do for the economy, tax revenues and whatever else you want to spend money on...is make illegals...legal. This way you receive the tax revenues, all them to take out loans for housing, become another debt ridden american. The US economy thrives on an overspending consumer; why not make 13million more in your own backyard.

Lets be practical people...
If nobody broke laws think of all the money you'd save.
If nobody got sick think of all the money you'd save.
Deporting all the illegals is just as unreasonable.

nice post

 

[1EZduzit]

How do I slip into Mexico... or Canada for that matter and get free medical care??

 

[jrenz]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: jrenz

Originally posted by: Stunt
No.
Illegals contribute to the economy in various ways; consumers, more efficient labour markets, larger profits/revenues for companies, corporate taxation (various forms). The costs associated with finding the illegals deporting them and developing an elaborate way to keep them out would cost insane amounts of money. All these losses would contribute to an unreasonable and more expensive solution.

The best thing you could do for the economy, tax revenues and whatever else you want to spend money on...is make illegals...legal. This way you receive the tax revenues, all them to take out loans for housing, become another debt ridden american. The US economy thrives on an overspending consumer; why not make 13million more in your own backyard.

Lets be practical people...
If nobody broke laws think of all the money you'd save.
If nobody got sick think of all the money you'd save.
Deporting all the illegals is just as unreasonable.

*yawn*

Does that count as a rebuttal these days? pathetic.

It's the only appropriate response to an argument which has been rehashed in *every* illegals thread, even when it bears very little relevance to the specific question being asked, as in this post.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: jrenz

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: jrenz

Originally posted by: Stunt
No.
Illegals contribute to the economy in various ways; consumers, more efficient labour markets, larger profits/revenues for companies, corporate taxation (various forms). The costs associated with finding the illegals deporting them and developing an elaborate way to keep them out would cost insane amounts of money. All these losses would contribute to an unreasonable and more expensive solution.

The best thing you could do for the economy, tax revenues and whatever else you want to spend money on...is make illegals...legal. This way you receive the tax revenues, all them to take out loans for housing, become another debt ridden american. The US economy thrives on an overspending consumer; why not make 13million more in your own backyard.

Lets be practical people...
If nobody broke laws think of all the money you'd save.
If nobody got sick think of all the money you'd save.
Deporting all the illegals is just as unreasonable.

*yawn*

Does that count as a rebuttal these days? pathetic.

It's the only appropriate response to an argument which has been rehashed in *every* illegals thread, even when it bears very little relevance to the specific question being asked, as in this post.

What argument might that be? I've made several points in the post; but feel free to dodge the subject. (next time don't bother commenting)

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: Aimster
simple yes/no and explanation.

Cause I heard they are costing hospitals thousands each. Are they costing the govt. any money?

Hard to say, but it would be easier to do so in any event.

 

[zendari]

Nothing is free.

 

[OFFascist]

Nothing is free. Everything has a cost.

If we automagically got rid of all illegals, no we would still not be able to afford socialized healthcare. To afford socialized healthcare we would need to drastically increase taxes.

I dont think the US should have socialized health care. I also do not think we should have welfare, or the pyramid scheme known as social security.

I have no problem with Mexican-Immigrants, illegal or not. Our real problem is the socialism we are fostering in our government.

 

[fitzov]

Originally posted by: zendari
Nothing is free.

I've gotten quite a few things for free.

 

[GroundedSailor]

Originally posted by: OFFascist
Nothing is free. Everything has a cost.

If we automagically got rid of all illegals, no we would still not be able to afford socialized healthcare. To afford socialized healthcare we would need to drastically increase taxes.

I dont think the US should have socialized health care. I also do not think we should have welfare, or the pyramid scheme known as social security.

I have no problem with Mexican-Immigrants, illegal or not. Our real problem is the socialism we are fostering in our government.

Go look it up. Medicare is the most efficient payer system for any health system. If there was a single payer for health costs - think of all the overheads we would save by not having so many different overheads as we have now. The problem is that there is too much money to be made in the current system for universal health care to become reality - as well as misguided attitudes like yours. It's been posted again and again that among the developed world US has the highest per capita cost of health care and is the only country to have citizens without health coverage. A single payer system give efficiencies of scale plus bargaining power as well as encouraging more preventative medicine which, in the long run, is cheaper that 'breakdown' health care we have.