If translating the anthem into Spanish is treasonous...

[mercanucaribe]

Does the same go for translating the Bible to English? Shouldn't we be reading the bible in the languages it was originally written in like Greek and Hebrew? Am I wrong in assuming that the Bible is more sacred than the national anthem?


Someone, please give a good reason why the national anthem should only be sung in English. "I hate them Spaniards" and "it pisses me off" are not reasons.

Edit: And to DaiShan... Obviously I don't mean literally treasonous. JESUS.

 

[DaiShan]

Who said it was treasonous? You may be confused about the definition of treason, else whoever said that it was treasonous was mistaken.

 

[RCN]

Changing the words to fit your agenda disturbs me a bit.............. in both cases

isn't there a thread on this already?

 

[timosyy]

OP is a tad misinformed as to the *point* of the Bible...

Without turning this into a religious flamefest or w/e, it is my understanding that the Word was meant to be spread, not some obscure text people would have to learn Greek/Hebew to access. It was written for the common man and intended for the masses of the time.

 

[Amplifier]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Does the same go for translating the Bible to English? Shouldn't we be reading the bible in the languages it was originally written in like Greek and Hebrew? Am I wrong in assuming that the Bible is more sacred than the national anthem?

separation of church and state

Yes you're wrong.

 

[Goosemaster]

I thought I was was going fvking crazy when I heard that on the news out of the corner of my ear this mornming when I was heading to work.

Putting the anthem in another language, is that is indeed what someone is proposing is the most fvking selfish thing anyone could ever devise.

It is a staple of this coutnry for all races and all creeds to respect.

I swear iwas imagining stuff when I heard it since it is so fvking ridiculous


[/noninformative rant from someone who is not well-informed on the issue ]


*googles anthem-chanigng panzies*

 

[DaiShan]

Originally posted by: timosyy
OP is a tad misinformed as to the *point* of the Bible...

Without turning this into a religious flamefest or w/e, it is my understanding that the Word was meant to be spread, not some obscure text people would have to learn Greek/Hebew to access. It was written for the common man and intended for the masses of the time.

This is true, but it's also important to note that the Bible that you find on your bookshelf, nightstand, or wherever is drastically different from the original gospels, and the differences are not limited to translational errors. In fact The Church does not recognize several of the gospels as the word and as such they are not included in "standard" versions of the bible today. It is also important to note that these gospels tend to disagree with the church on more than a few points.

 

[thehstrybean]

Originally posted by: timosyy
OP is a tad misinformed as to the *point* of the Bible...

Without turning this into a religious flamefest or w/e, it is my understanding that the Word was meant to be spread, not some obscure text people would have to learn Greek/Hebew to access. It was written for the common man and intended for the masses of the time.

Yep. The Great Comm. says "Go, and spread the Gospel to all people"...so, you need it in more languages..

 

[FoBoT]

bible has nothing to do with patriotism and nationalism

i don't see any relation

 

[SampSon]

I'm getting really tired of the latin community thinking they are entitled to run things differently than everyone else.
Please include yourself in this society, or stay home.
Immigrants have been doing it for some time, why the latin community thinks they are entitled to different treatment is beyond me.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: SampSon
I'm getting really tired of the latin community thinking they are entitled to run things differently than everyone else.
Please include yourself in this society, or stay home.
Immigrants have been doing it for some time, why the latin community thinks they are entitled to different treatment is beyond me.

It's not that clear cut. Spanish/latin people are really proud, and jsut like other races, we have our fair share of douches.

 

[Amplifier]

¿Amenece, lo veis?, a la luz de la aurora?
Lo que tanto aclamamos la noche al caer?
Sus estrellas sus franjas flotaban ayer,
En el fiero combate, en señal de victoria,
Fulgor de lucha, al paso de la libertad,
Por la noche decían: "¡Se va defendiendo!"
¡Oh decid! ¿Despliega aún su hermosura estrellada,
Sobre tierra de libres, la bandera sagrada?

Sus estrellas, sus franjas, la libertad, somos iguales
Somos hermanos, en nuestro himno.
En el fiero combate, en señal de victoria,
Fulgor de lucha... (Mi gente, ¡sigue luchando!)
...al paso de la libertad (¡Ya es tiempo de romper las cadenas!)
Por la noche decían: "¡Se va defendiendo!"
¡Oh decid! ¿Despliega aún su hermosura estrellada,
Sobre tierra de libres, la bandera sagrada?

 

[Ranger X]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Does the same go for translating the Bible to English? Shouldn't we be reading the bible in the languages it was originally written in like Greek and Hebrew? Am I wrong in assuming that the Bible is more sacred than the national anthem?

You missed the boat on this one. At least in the translation of the Bible, the people did their best to translate the messages in its original form. The Spanish anthem puts in their own words and bastardizes the whole thing from the start to finish.

 

[everman]

It's a "national" anthem, it represents a specific country. English happens to be the main language here and original language of the anthem.
National anthems are always sung in their native language.

I also find it ironic that these people come here demanding rights that we as US citizens certainly do not have in these people's native countries. A US citizen can't even own land in mexico, you need a special trust set up.

 

[0roo0roo]

you know the mexicans wouldn't be all that happy if uppity american immigrants in mexico decided they wanted the mexican anthem in english they'd be all riled up about the disrespect.

 

[SampSon]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: SampSon
I'm getting really tired of the latin community thinking they are entitled to run things differently than everyone else.
Please include yourself in this society, or stay home.
Immigrants have been doing it for some time, why the latin community thinks they are entitled to different treatment is beyond me.

It's not that clear cut. Spanish/latin people are really proud, and jsut like other races, we have our fair share of douches.

True, but that is the same for most ethic backgrounds, the latin groups are no exception.

My family came over from sicily, immigrated legally, assimilated into American culture but still maintained their ethnic roots in their own living space. I see no reason why the latin groups should go about it any other way and expect to be treated different.
Be as proud as you want to be, but if you want to immigrate here you are going to be an American.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: SampSon
I'm getting really tired of the latin community thinking they are entitled to run things differently than everyone else.
Please include yourself in this society, or stay home.
Immigrants have been doing it for some time, why the latin community thinks they are entitled to different treatment is beyond me.

It's not that clear cut. Spanish/latin people are really proud, and jsut like other races, we have our fair share of douches.

True, but that is the same for most ethic backgrounds, the latin groups are no exception.

My family came over from sicily, immigrated legally, assimilated into American culture but still maintained their ethnic roots in their own living space. I see no reason why the latin groups should go about it any other way and expect to be treated different.
Be as proud as you want to be, but if you want to immigrate here you are going to be an American.

Sicilians :heart:

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: SampSon
I'm getting really tired of the latin community thinking they are entitled to run things differently than everyone else.
Please include yourself in this society, or stay home.
Immigrants have been doing it for some time, why the latin community thinks they are entitled to different treatment is beyond me.

It's not that clear cut. Spanish/latin people are really proud, and jsut like other races, we have our fair share of douches.

True, but that is the same for most ethic backgrounds, the latin groups are no exception.

My family came over from sicily, immigrated legally, assimilated into American culture but still maintained their ethnic roots in their own living space. I see no reason why the latin groups should go about it any other way and expect to be treated different.
Be as proud as you want to be, but if you want to immigrate here you are going to be an American.

I agree, but what would you describe as 'american'


In many case these people are doing both acceptable and unacceptable things.

 

[everman]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

I agree, but what would you describe as 'american'


In many case these people are doing both acceptable and unacceptable things.

I'd say the difference is between becoming like other Americans, and trying to change America into the country of your choice.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: everman

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

I agree, but what would you describe as 'american'


In many case these people are doing both acceptable and unacceptable things.

I'd say the difference is between becoming like other Americans, and trying to change America into the country of your choice.

We all should want to change america into a country of our choice


<---wants this country to become better and wiser

 

[slayer202]

OP is an idiot. enough said. his statement was too stupid to even respond to

 

[DanTMWTMP]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Does the same go for translating the Bible to English? Shouldn't we be reading the bible in the languages it was originally written in like Greek and Hebrew? Am I wrong in assuming that the Bible is more sacred than the national anthem?

hehe, actually, shouldn't English be the most thuggish language of modern civilization? I mean, c'mon, we can't even pronounce Jesus, Judah, or even Jehovah correctly (Yehsu, Yudah, Yaweh).

If Jesus is up there, he's probably going "Wtf, no americans are calling my name, ah well, screw them.."


EDIT:

oddly enough, this post is my 10666th post :Q :Q

 

[everman]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: everman

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

I agree, but what would you describe as 'american'


In many case these people are doing both acceptable and unacceptable things.

I'd say the difference is between becoming like other Americans, and trying to change America into the country of your choice.

We all should want to change america into a country of our choice


<---wants this country to become better and wiser

Well, I mean like changing the US into Mexico. That's what some more radical groups actually want. That would certainly not be better and wiser

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: everman

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: everman

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

I agree, but what would you describe as 'american'


In many case these people are doing both acceptable and unacceptable things.

I'd say the difference is between becoming like other Americans, and trying to change America into the country of your choice.

We all should want to change america into a country of our choice


<---wants this country to become better and wiser

Well, I mean like changing the US into Mexico. That's what some more radical groups actually want. That would certainly not be better and wiser

heh in the economist mag there was an article on how mexico at its current rate of growth wouldn't catch up with the us even after 100 years thats how bad it is. a day without a mexican they ask? well, how about too many mexicans, just look at how that works for mexico very very poorly. not everything is rosey there at all, and not everything about their culture and views are good or working for them. don't even pretend thats not true. other american groups are atleast honest with themselves when talking about their countries of origins. i'm here because my country sucks.

 

[0roo0roo]

seriously, whats mexicos excuse for not succeeding? they sit right next to a huge and rich trading partner. they haven't been devastated by war recently, they aren't surrounded by slobbering crazy enemy nations or such. they haven't been crushed by two world wars. look at japan.. they got freakin nuked for chistsake. south korea..they are technically still at war yet they make half the tv's now it seems. gah and those countries aren't throwing their poor at us