If there is really a God then why do people NEED a book to tell them what is right and wrong

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: alchemize
Who said anything about romantic love? Any emotion is just a complex hormonal state.

Nietzsche overrates us as a grain of dust in that hourglass

You are still confused.

There is Romantic Love: Butterflies, goofiness, the "complex hormonal state" you speak of, then there is Love. Love is not about feelings, it's about Action(not sex). It's about how you treat Others or respond to Others'. You don't Love because of how you Feel, you Love because it's what you Do.

Sounds like another belief system to me. What book did you get that nonsense from?

Sounds like a better belief system than one based on life after death, IMHO. Focusing on a fictional "afterlife" devalues your current existance.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: alchemize
Who said anything about romantic love? Any emotion is just a complex hormonal state.

Nietzsche overrates us as a grain of dust in that hourglass

You are still confused.

There is Romantic Love: Butterflies, goofiness, the "complex hormonal state" you speak of, then there is Love. Love is not about feelings, it's about Action(not sex). It's about how you treat Others or respond to Others'. You don't Love because of how you Feel, you Love because it's what you Do.

Sounds like another belief system to me. What book did you get that nonsense from?

II Corinthians 13--the Bible(ironically)

 

[Jeff7]

For the same reason that PC makers don't include the install CD with their PCs anymore? Or for the same reason that printers don't come with USB cables in the box?
They just like the extra attention.

 

[piasabird]

Well there is a kind of moral agency.

God told Adam if he ate the apple he would shurly die. He also told him he was free to choose. If he did not eat the apple, he would remain the same not knowing good and evil.

Maybe you could learn something from reading the bible.

Is your mind closed or open?

Are you really sure about what is going to happen when you die?

What is up with people seeing angels? Are they just all liars?


Talk to an Psychologist and they will tell you everyone has a need to develop their spiritual self. This is one of the higher needs. Why are we here? Does your life have a purpose? Perhaps if life has no meaning and there is no purpose to life, then Maybe you should just give up now and avoid years of suffering.

Life, Death, then what?

These are Rhetorical questions. I am not advising anyone to commit suicide. I am just using it as an argumentative position. At no time am I advising anyone to kill themselves.

I remember this scene from a dirty harry movie where he goes up in a bucket and tells this guy not to jump because people will see it and then they will all want to throw up. Very interesting scene. It seems everyone is seeking for some meaning from life. You will only find misery from alcohol and drugs. So then what is someone to do?

 

[Elderly Newt]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
If there is really a government, then why do we need a constitution to tell us what is right?

We don't. We need it to tell the government what is right.

 

[jmdeathsquad]

there is no god, only people afraid of the unknown

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: dahunan
You would think that we would have the answer in our hearts?

they are, that's why i hate formalized religion. it isn't the form that saves you, it's the relationship with god.

the purpose of the bible isn't to TELL people there is a god, it's to reassure us of what we have experienced.

 

[sao123]

Originally posted by: Ryan
IMHO - the mere fact that there is no constant in religion is proof that religion is nothing more than a tool to control the masses - everyone is selective in choosing what they want to believe and follow from their religion. There are thousands of sects of christianity - each one professing to know the real "truth", each using the same book and interpretation to support their viewpoints.

The mere existance of thousands of different religions tells me on thing - there is no singular, universal "TRUTH". There are no constant ideals, there is no heaven, no hell, no god - NOTHING. Life is change - that is the only constant and true thing. Accept that fact, and you will be a better person, and live a better life instead of convincing yourself that life continues after death.

I disagree... CIRCLE GETS THE SQUARE!!!

I believe that at some point in history, there was 1-2 original religion. However just like a rumor that gets started, as it gets passed around... They get changed, modified, and eventually intertwined into all combinations they eventually no longer resemble the originals. This may account for all the different religions, and yet despite their differences many of them still have much in common.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Ryan
IMHO - the mere fact that there is no constant in religion is proof that religion is nothing more than a tool to control the masses - everyone is selective in choosing what they want to believe and follow from their religion. There are thousands of sects of christianity - each one professing to know the real "truth", each using the same book and interpretation to support their viewpoints.

What's really scary is that you are so confident while also being so ignorant.....the heart of a closed mind. But I tend to think your ignorance is self-chosen so as to best suit what's most convenient for you and, hell, I'm not gonna bother trying to change your mind while that's the case as it would be futile.

 

[piasabird]

You have a right to your opinion but I know that God Lives, because I have seen his actions in my life. I will never change my mind. God lives and wants to help us, but we have to put his words to a test. I dont fear the unknown, I embrace it as a great learning experience.

What are Angels? They are ressurrected beings.

They proof there is life after death.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: dahunan
You would think that we would have the answer in our hearts?

Our hearts are inconstant and selfish. You want to determine right and wrong by what it tells you?

Still, I guess it would sound decent in some song lyrics which I guess means it's correct, or, uh, ya.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: dahunan
You would think that we would have the answer in our hearts?

Our hearts are inconstant and selfish. You want to determine right and wrong by what it tells you?

Still, I guess it would sound decent in some song lyrics which I guess means it's correct, or, uh, ya.

Where is Jesus if not in your heart?

 

[Conky]

I think a better question would be "If there was no book then would God exist?".

Better question but still just as stupid and trollish as the OP.

 

[6StringSamurai]

Here is a list of over 700 inconsitencies in the bible. Now, if you choose to believe that there is a god, so be it. If you choose to worship said god, then so be it. I have no problem with these people. I do however find that people that base there religious belief system on the bible, need to wake up. It is filled with errors, politically twisted translations through time, and it was "supposedly" written by man.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: 6StringSamurai
Here is a list of over 700 inconsitencies in the bible. Now, if you choose to believe that there is a god, so be it. If you choose to worship said god, then so be it. I have no problem with these people. I do however find that people that base there religious belief system on the bible, need to wake up. It is filled with errors, politically twisted translations through time, and it was "supposedly" written by man.

I don't understand what any inconsistencies in any book have to do with anyone choosing to maintain a belief in any god.

Originally posted by: jmdeathsquad
there is no god, only people afraid of the unknown

An extremely arrogant, condenscending, and inaccurate statement.

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
the purpose of the bible isn't to TELL people there is a god, it's to reassure us of what we have experienced.

This is correct in regards to any religious text or system of religious belief.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: dahunan
You would think that we would have the answer in our hearts?

Our hearts are inconstant and selfish. You want to determine right and wrong by what it tells you?

Still, I guess it would sound decent in some song lyrics which I guess means it's correct, or, uh, ya.

Where is Jesus if not in your heart?

Buahahahaha.

:roll: K, now I'm assuming you're joking with this stuff, but, whatever.

Technically, He's in Heaven. The Bible specifically declares that Jesus stands at the door and knocks. Clearly He isn't there to start with and, again technically, it's the Holy Spirit which Jesus left to help guide us. A core of Christianity is that man is sinful....born a slave to his own sinful nature and that it is the realization and acknowledgement that it is in fact our sin that keeps us from living full and fruitful and complete lives that leads us to seek answers.

It's got not a damn thing to do with tithing or going to church or being nice to people, it's reaching a point emotionally or through logical reasoning or whatever it happens to be that opens you to being able to glimpse this fact.

People, specifically, people like you, will go through their whole lives desperately grasping for something without ever knowing what it is....assuming it's wealth, or relationships, or personal gratification, or religeon and finding true peace forever elusive. Why? Heck, probably because they're too proud to kneel before a God......because they're too stupid to realize the emptiness of humanistic pursuits....because they're closed minded to Christianity because they've made it a scapegoat for their problems and insecurity....I don't know.

Sh!t, I don't care. If you get saved some day I won't get any brownie points. I don't get a percentage of your tithe as commission. It's not going to affect me or my family's life in any way. I'll think, "Hey, great." and be genuinely happy for you for about a minute and a half before I forget about it. But, for your own damn sake, don't let these glib ass one liners with no thought whatsoever behind them, if they aren't just trolling, be the foundation of your belief system.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Beachboy
I think a better question would be "If there was no book then would God exist?".

Better question but still just as stupid and trollish as the OP.

Answer your first one .. why are the religious people so uptight and desiring to call me names?

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: 6StringSamurai
Here is a list of over 700 inconsitencies in the bible.

I went through the first 40 or so before stopping. Those aren't inconsistencies to anybody with at least half a brain. Or you'd have to be one stubborn, prejudiced, closed minded person WANTING to see them as inconsistencies.

Case in point. How much time have you spent actually reading or learning what the bible says compared to googling for anti-bible links?

 

[dahunan]

Hmm.. will anger really help someone listen.. a couple of you in here sound so angry and arrogant.. sorry .. it was not my intention

AND.. BTW In the original post I NEVER mentioned any specific religion .. did I?

One of my concerns was the Iraqi RELIGIOUS Civil War.. where believers in the same GOD choose to kill each other because they believe a different version..

 

[SaltBoy]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Hmm.. will anger really help someone listen.. a couple of you in here sound so angry and arrogant.. sorry .. it was not my intention

AND.. BTW In the original post I NEVER mentioned any specific religion .. did I?

One of my concerns was the Iraqi RELIGIOUS Civil War.. where believers in the same GOD choose to kill each other because they believe a different version..

Well then, they really DON'T believe in the same God now, do they?

/edit To answer your question, we don't need a BOOK to tell us what is right and wrong. What we need instead is a person who has a *sure* witness of God; one who has had personal experience to the point to where he/she has seen/heard/experienced God to a point that goes beyond what is manifest to the normal, physical senses. Somebody like Moses, the apostles, etc. And then we have to take the word given to them by God and apply it in our own lives *by faith*. Those words just so happened to be in the scriptures.

If you had an experience like Moses, I guess you could say you could write your own scriptures. You would actually have God's Word.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Beachboy
I think a better question would be "If there was no book then would God exist?".

Better question but still just as stupid and trollish as the OP.

Answer your first one .. why are the religious people so uptight and desiring to call me names?

Sigh...

First, I am not religious. I just hate ignorance in all forms. Religious studies are fascinating IMO, even from secular/atheist points of view. Perhaps you should try educating yourself?

Second, God exists or does not exist whether people believe in Him or not.

Third, people believed in God(s) before there was writing, much less books.

Fourth, if you feel like people are calling you names, perhaps you should consider that your thread was an obvious flamebait troll. Either you're extremely stupid or pretending to be extremely stupid, I don't know which is worse.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: SaltBoy

Originally posted by: dahunan
Hmm.. will anger really help someone listen.. a couple of you in here sound so angry and arrogant.. sorry .. it was not my intention

AND.. BTW In the original post I NEVER mentioned any specific religion .. did I?

One of my concerns was the Iraqi RELIGIOUS Civil War.. where believers in the same GOD choose to kill each other because they believe a different version..

Well then, they really DON'T believe in the same God now, do they?

Of course they do. It's just that the God they believe in has very little to do with their fighting. It just provides them with one more excuse among many to hate each other. All war is large scale armed robbery and nothing else.
Anyone who thinks that wars would disappear if religion disappeared is pretty much a clueless idiot and/or a bigot obsessed with controlling the beliefs of others (i.e., religion = crimethink).

 

[z42]

If there is really a God then why do people NEED a book to tell them what is right and wrong

Isn't that like saying:

If America really is a free country then why do people need laws to tell them not to impinge others freedoms?

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Beachboy
I think a better question would be "If there was no book then would God exist?".

Better question but still just as stupid and trollish as the OP.

Answer your first one .. why are the religious people so uptight and desiring to call me names?

Sigh...

First, I am not religious. I just hate ignorance in all forms. Religious studies are fascinating IMO, even from secular/atheist points of view. Perhaps you should try educating yourself?

Second, God exists or does not exist whether people believe in Him or not.

Third, people believed in God(s) before there was writing, much less books.

Fourth, if you feel like people are calling you names, perhaps you should consider that your thread was an obvious flamebait troll. Either you're extremely stupid or pretending to be extremely stupid, I don't know which is worse.

I do not consider it to be flamebait

I believe there is ONE God.. but why so many different books

I believe that if you seek the answer in your heart you will find what is right and wrong

Do YOU need a book to tell you what moral actions are right or wrong?

 

[6StringSamurai]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: 6StringSamurai
Here is a list of over 700 inconsitencies in the bible. Now, if you choose to believe that there is a god, so be it. If you choose to worship said god, then so be it. I have no problem with these people. I do however find that people that base there religious belief system on the bible, need to wake up. It is filled with errors, politically twisted translations through time, and it was "supposedly" written by man.

I don't understand what any inconsistencies in any book have to do with anyone choosing to maintain a belief in any god.
.

Correct me if I am wrong here, but is the OP not asking "If there is a god, why do people need a book to tell them what is right and wrong? If not, then perhaps I fail reading comprehension.

If I am indeed correct in my comprehension, than my statement stands. The bible is a inaccurate, self-contradicting piece of fiction. That being said, no one should use it as a moral "ruler" , unless mass murder, incest, and extreme social inequality are your "morals".