If the rumored specs for G71 are true, it should be 7800gtx 512 / 1800xt all over again?

[Gomce]

6800Ultra - X800XT/850XT ~ virtually tie, ati slightly better

7800GTX - league of its own

7800GTX 256 vs 1800XT ~ virtually tie, ati slightly better

7800GTX 512 vs 1800XT ~ GTX crashes the 1800XT

7800GTX 512 vs 1900XTX ~ Ati wins but the 7800gtx512 isn't it's direct competitor here
-------------------------------

The real battle will be G71 (7900GTX?) VS X1900XTX

I'm willing to bet that the G71 will be 20%-30% better than the 1900XTX like 7800GTX512 was over 1800XT

-------------------------------

No flaming.
I myself own:
rig 1. a64 3200+ s754 nforce3, at 2.53ghz, 2gb ram, with X800XT (520/520)
rig 2. a64 3500+ s939 nforce4 at 2.53ghz, 2gb ram, 2 x 7800GTX256 gainward ultra SLI
so, I'm not a brand fan, just a hardware enthusiast...

 

[Stumps]

meh, who cares, as long as you can buy them in stores, everybody wins

 

[Polish3d]

Someone buy me one PLEASE

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Gomce
6800Ultra - X800XT/850XT ~ virtually tie, ati slightly better

7800GTX - league of its own

7800GTX 256 vs 1800XT ~ virtually tie, ati slightly better

7800GTX 512 vs 1800XT ~ GTX crashes the 1800XT

7800GTX 512 vs 1900XTX ~ Ati wins but the 7800gtx512 isn't it's direct competitor here
-------------------------------

The real battle will be G71 (7900GTX?) VS X1900XTX

I'm willing to bet that the G71 will be 20%-30% better than the 1900XTX like 7800GTX512 was over 1800XT

-------------------------------

No flaming.
I myself own:
rig 1. a64 3200+ s754 nforce3, at 2.53ghz, 2gb ram, with X800XT (520/520)
rig 2. a64 3500+ s939 nforce4 at 2.53ghz, 2gb ram, 2 x 7800GTX256 gainward ultra SLI
so, I'm not a brand fan, just a hardware enthusiast...

Why do you have the X1800XT going up against the 256MB GTX and 512MB GTX? The X1800XT can be had for $400 from newegg right now. $350+ less than the 512MB GTX. Why do you say the 7800GTX is in a league of its own? There are only two 7800 GTX's that I know of, the 256MB and 512MB models.

You claim the XTX isnt the direct competitor for the 512MB GTX, yet think the X1800XT is for the 512MB GTX? You have the X1800XT competing with the 256&512MB GTX. Not one mention of the X1900XT? Your comparisons doesnt make much sense to me.

I do think that the G71 is rumored specs are true, will be about 20%+ faster in a lot of games than the XTX, but not in some such as F.E.A.R. Who knows, perhaps ATi will put out a higher clocked version of the XTX. It sure seems like they held back on the clocks. I really hope the 7900 or whatever its called, its in such a short supply like the 512MB GTX was/is, and price well over MSRP.

 

[Alaa]

do u think everybody is playing fear, ackmed? i dont think so..i dont like it and it doesnt matter wether ati is better in it or not, so for some ppl 1 game has nothing to do with their purchase...the GTX stayed long time before anything is released from ati...for a while the X18XT was goin up against GTX256 then the GTX512 came to crash it, after that X19XTX came to have the lead...7900 is coming to do sumthing which we dont know yet...

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Why do you have the X1800XT going up against the 256MB GTX and 512MB GTX? The X1800XT can be had for $400 from newegg right now. $350+ less than the 512MB GTX. Why do you say the 7800GTX is in a league of its own? There are only two 7800 GTX's that I know of, the 256MB and 512MB models.

Maybe he's not into that funky ATI timeshifting for which cards to compare to?

When the X1800XT/512GTX came out and cost $600/$659 respectively, it was always, "You must compare the X1800XT to the card that came out 5 months earlier, cost $150 less, and has half the RAM!" and "The 512 GTX should be compared to it's REAL competitor, the ATI card that will come out in 2 months!"

But then when someone suggests that comparing ATIs next gen core to nVidia's next gen core that will come out two months later, the ATI fan will squawk "No way! We only time travel in ways beneficial to ATI!"

You claim the XTX isnt the direct competitor for the 512MB GTX, yet think the X1800XT is for the 512MB GTX? You have the X1800XT competing with the 256&512MB GTX. Not one mention of the X1900XT? Your comparisons doesnt make much sense to me.

Yours don't make much sense to me, see above.

Originally posted by: Ackmed

I really hope the 7900 or whatever its called, its in such a short supply like the 512MB GTX was/is, and price well over MSRP.

THANK YOU.

This is all anyone needs to know about Ackmed/Fallguy/Emilee. While anyone without any brand loyalty would hope that ANY company would put out a card that's better and is plentiful and costs $100., Ackmed hopes that if nVidia puts out a better card it's in short supply and overpriced by vendors.

Why do you think the guy on every forum like this on the internet posting about how great ATI is all day long would say that?

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Gomce
6800Ultra - X800XT/850XT ~ virtually tie, ati slightly better

7800GTX - league of its own

7800GTX 256 vs 1800XT ~ virtually tie, ati slightly better

7800GTX 512 vs 1800XT ~ GTX crashes the 1800XT

7800GTX 512 vs 1900XTX ~ Ati wins but the 7800gtx512 isn't it's direct competitor here
-------------------------------

The real battle will be G71 (7900GTX?) VS X1900XTX

I'm willing to bet that the G71 will be 20%-30% better than the 1900XTX like 7800GTX512 was over 1800XT

-------------------------------

No flaming.
I myself own:
rig 1. a64 3200+ s754 nforce3, at 2.53ghz, 2gb ram, with X800XT (520/520)
rig 2. a64 3500+ s939 nforce4 at 2.53ghz, 2gb ram, 2 x 7800GTX256 gainward ultra SLI
so, I'm not a brand fan, just a hardware enthusiast...

Why do you have the X1800XT going up against the 256MB GTX and 512MB GTX? The X1800XT can be had for $400 from newegg right now. $350+ less than the 512MB GTX. Why do you say the 7800GTX is in a league of its own? There are only two 7800 GTX's that I know of, the 256MB and 512MB models.

You claim the XTX isnt the direct competitor for the 512MB GTX, yet think the X1800XT is for the 512MB GTX? You have the X1800XT competing with the 256&512MB GTX. Not one mention of the X1900XT? Your comparisons doesnt make much sense to me.

I do think that the G71 is rumored specs are true, will be about 20%+ faster in a lot of games than the XTX, but not in some such as F.E.A.R. Who knows, perhaps ATi will put out a higher clocked version of the XTX. It sure seems like they held back on the clocks. I really hope the 7900 or whatever its called, its in such a short supply like the 512MB GTX was/is, and price well over MSRP.

i think he was doing a time line thing, ie it was in its own league untill ati got the x1800 out the door, then they were back on the ball.

512GTX was Nv's answer to the x1800xt, or maybe just something to spite them to say they are still on top, not a direct competitor to the x1800, but they do both have 512 memory so people are gonna compare them. either way the 7800GTX 512 is much more expensive than the x1800's which have some incredible prices.

x1900 is ATIs new answer, and i say its fair to compare it (XTX) to the GTX 512 since they are in the same realm of performance, but the x1900xtx can be had for so much less its silly.


if i had to say, id say Nvidia possibly have the upper hand? its like they have a game in hand at the moment, but time will tell, they could always lose that game.

and you hope that nvidias new card is in short supply? why would you want that.....how does that benefit anyone. i dont think nvidia will be doing a GTX 512 again.

 

[Alaa]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Your comparisons doesnt make much sense to me.

these are time comparisons not product to product comparisons!!can u sense that?

 

[jim1976]

@OP . Do not rush for conclusions... G71 will be damn fast (probably faster than X1900XTX) but it really depends on so much things. It's not that simple

Let's make a theoretical comparison ..

R520 =16 SIMD channels * 12 FLOPs * 0.625GHz = 120 GFLOPs

G70 =24 SIMD channels * 16 FLOPs * 0.43GHz = 165 GFLOPs
G70(512)=24 SIMD channels * 16 FLOPs * 0.55GHz = 211 GFLOPs

R580=16 SIMD channels * 36 FLOPs * 0.65GHz = 374 GFLOPs
G71=32 SIMD channels * 16 FLOPs * ? clockspeed = ? GFLOPs

But even with these numbers the confusion doesn't end. ADDs can be used in Radeons only under some circumstances (which means that if someone calculates only MADDs it's only 80GFLOPs for the R520 and 250GFLOPs for the R580). Do you see the X1800XT being behind 7800GTX256 ?
On the other hand in GeForces a part from the theoretical fillrate is deducted from the texture operations..

Anyone confused?

It will really depend on gaming situations and how a game code utilises the hardware

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: jim1976
@OP . Do not rush for conclusions... G71 will be damn fast (probably faster than X1900XTX) but it really depends on so much things. It's not that simple

Let's make a theoretical comparison ..

R520 =16 SIMD channels * 12 FLOPs * 0.625GHz = 120 GFLOPs

G70 =24 SIMD channels * 16 FLOPs * 0.43GHz = 165 GFLOPs
G70(512)=24 SIMD channels * 16 FLOPs * 0.55GHz = 211 GFLOPs

R580=16 SIMD channels * 36 FLOPs * 0.65GHz = 374 GFLOPs
G71=32 SIMD channels * 16 FLOPs * ? clockspeed = ? GFLOPs

But even with these numbers the confusion doesn't end. ADDs can be used in Radeons only under some circumstances (which means that if someone calculates only MADDs it's only 80GFLOPs for the R520 and 250GFLOPs for the R580). Do you see the X1800XT being behind 7800GTX256 ?
On the other hand in GeForces a part from the theoretical fillrate is deducted from the texture operations..

Anyone confused?

It will really depend on gaming situations and how a game code utilises the hardware

flops mean jack, last time i saw the term FLOPS used to describe something it was the sony PS3 thingy at E3. and we all know what sony are like with hype and specs

 

[5150Joker]

I say who gives a crap? I've got my XTX, fastest single card on the market with the best IQ and I'm loving it. Best part is it's got fantastic stock performance and is a monster overclocker. Now I say bring on G80/R600 and I'll buy whatever is the better of the two cards then as long as nVidia fixes their horrible Quality AF.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Gomce
6800Ultra - X800XT/850XT ~ virtually tie, ati slightly better

7800GTX - league of its own

7800GTX 256 vs 1800XT ~ virtually tie, ati slightly better

7800GTX 512 vs 1800XT ~ GTX crashes the 1800XT

7800GTX 512 vs 1900XTX ~ Ati wins but the 7800gtx512 isn't it's direct competitor here
-------------------------------

The real battle will be G71 (7900GTX?) VS X1900XTX

I'm willing to bet that the G71 will be 20%-30% better than the 1900XTX like 7800GTX512 was over 1800XT

-------------------------------

No flaming.
I myself own:
rig 1. a64 3200+ s754 nforce3, at 2.53ghz, 2gb ram, with X800XT (520/520)
rig 2. a64 3500+ s939 nforce4 at 2.53ghz, 2gb ram, 2 x 7800GTX256 gainward ultra SLI
so, I'm not a brand fan, just a hardware enthusiast...

Why do you have the X1800XT going up against the 256MB GTX and 512MB GTX? The X1800XT can be had for $400 from newegg right now. $350+ less than the 512MB GTX. Why do you say the 7800GTX is in a league of its own? There are only two 7800 GTX's that I know of, the 256MB and 512MB models.

You claim the XTX isnt the direct competitor for the 512MB GTX, yet think the X1800XT is for the 512MB GTX? You have the X1800XT competing with the 256&512MB GTX. Not one mention of the X1900XT? Your comparisons doesnt make much sense to me.

I do think that the G71 is rumored specs are true, will be about 20%+ faster in a lot of games than the XTX, but not in some such as F.E.A.R. Who knows, perhaps ATi will put out a higher clocked version of the XTX. It sure seems like they held back on the clocks. I really hope the 7900 or whatever its called, its in such a short supply like the 512MB GTX was/is, and price well over MSRP.

i think he was doing a time line thing, ie it was in its own league untill ati got the x1800 out the door, then they were back on the ball.

and you hope that nvidias new card is in short supply? why would you want that.....how does that benefit anyone. i dont think nvidia will be doing a GTX 512 again.

Yes, I see that now. I thought he was comparing cards, that were far out of the price range of each other. Now the X1800XT is cheaper than a 256MG GTX, and wasnt sure why he was comparing it to the 512MB GTX. Perhaps mentioning it was in a timeline would have helped.. or perhaps me waitint till I woke up to make a post would too.

It was a typo saying that I wish the 7900 was in short supply. I edited my post to add it right after I posted, and was in a hurry. I ment to say "isnt in", and not "its in".

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Gomce
6800Ultra - X800XT/850XT ~ virtually tie, ati slightly better

7800GTX - league of its own

7800GTX 256 vs 1800XT ~ virtually tie, ati slightly better

7800GTX 512 vs 1800XT ~ GTX crashes the 1800XT

7800GTX 512 vs 1900XTX ~ Ati wins but the 7800gtx512 isn't it's direct competitor here
-------------------------------

The real battle will be G71 (7900GTX?) VS X1900XTX

I'm willing to bet that the G71 will be 20%-30% better than the 1900XTX like 7800GTX512 was over 1800XT

-------------------------------

No flaming.
I myself own:
rig 1. a64 3200+ s754 nforce3, at 2.53ghz, 2gb ram, with X800XT (520/520)
rig 2. a64 3500+ s939 nforce4 at 2.53ghz, 2gb ram, 2 x 7800GTX256 gainward ultra SLI
so, I'm not a brand fan, just a hardware enthusiast...

Why do you have the X1800XT going up against the 256MB GTX and 512MB GTX? The X1800XT can be had for $400 from newegg right now. $350+ less than the 512MB GTX. Why do you say the 7800GTX is in a league of its own? There are only two 7800 GTX's that I know of, the 256MB and 512MB models.

You claim the XTX isnt the direct competitor for the 512MB GTX, yet think the X1800XT is for the 512MB GTX? You have the X1800XT competing with the 256&512MB GTX. Not one mention of the X1900XT? Your comparisons doesnt make much sense to me.

I do think that the G71 is rumored specs are true, will be about 20%+ faster in a lot of games than the XTX, but not in some such as F.E.A.R. Who knows, perhaps ATi will put out a higher clocked version of the XTX. It sure seems like they held back on the clocks. I really hope the 7900 or whatever its called, its in such a short supply like the 512MB GTX was/is, and price well over MSRP.

i think he was doing a time line thing, ie it was in its own league untill ati got the x1800 out the door, then they were back on the ball.

and you hope that nvidias new card is in short supply? why would you want that.....how does that benefit anyone. i dont think nvidia will be doing a GTX 512 again.

Yes, I see that now. I thought he was comparing cards, that were far out of the price range of each other. Now the X1800XT is cheaper than a 256MG GTX, and wasnt sure why he was comparing it to the 512MB GTX. Perhaps mentioning it was in a timeline would have helped.. or perhaps me waitint till I woke up to make a post would too.

It was a typo saying that I wish the 7900 was in short supply. I edited my post to add it right after I posted, and was in a hurry. I ment to say "isnt in", and not "its in".

cool

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
I say who gives a crap? I've got my XTX, fastest single card on the market with the best IQ and I'm loving it. Best part is it's got fantastic stock performance and is a monster overclocker. Now I say bring on G80/R600 and I'll buy whatever is the better of the two cards then as long as nVidia fixes their horrible Quality AF.

lol how fast u got it now? 750+? insane.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Alaa
do u think everybody is playing fear, ackmed? i dont think so..i dont like it and it doesnt matter wether ati is better in it or not, so for some ppl 1 game has nothing to do with their purchase...the GTX stayed long time before anything is released from ati...for a while the X18XT was goin up against GTX256 then the GTX512 came to crash it, after that X19XTX came to have the lead...7900 is coming to do sumthing which we dont know yet...

I said in "some games such as F.E.A.R.". I have serious doubts that the 7900 will be faster in that game, if all they did was add pipes, and up the clocks. Or games like it in the future. I also said I think the 7900 will be faster in "a lot of games". Perhaps you should relax, and look at it logically. Maybe you dont like it, it got great reviews from all places I saw. And is likely to have an expansion pack at some point. Doom3 did better on NV hardware at the time, and it was always brought up as a reason to buy a NV card. I thought it sucked, but some people liked it.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
I say who gives a crap? I've got my XTX, fastest single card on the market with the best IQ and I'm loving it. Best part is it's got fantastic stock performance and is a monster overclocker. Now I say bring on G80/R600 and I'll buy whatever is the better of the two cards then as long as nVidia fixes their horrible Quality AF.

lol how fast u got it now? 750+? insane.

Pfft broke 750 a long time ago. I'm aiming for 800 mhz right now and been getting advice from Viper John about how to get there.

 

[jim1976]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
flops mean jack, last time i saw the term FLOPS used to describe something it was the sony PS3 thingy at E3. and we all know what sony are like with hype and specs

FLOPs by themselves may not mean much but they are a serious indication of performance...
I tried to give a little idea of ALU performance, and if you see I said that it depends on many things not just that.

 

[Alaa]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Alaa
do u think everybody is playing fear, ackmed? i dont think so..i dont like it and it doesnt matter wether ati is better in it or not, so for some ppl 1 game has nothing to do with their purchase...the GTX stayed long time before anything is released from ati...for a while the X18XT was goin up against GTX256 then the GTX512 came to crash it, after that X19XTX came to have the lead...7900 is coming to do sumthing which we dont know yet...

I said in "some games such as F.E.A.R.". I have serious doubts that the 7900 will be faster in that game, if all they did was add pipes, and up the clocks. Or games like it in the future. I also said I think the 7900 will be faster in "a lot of games". Perhaps you should relax, and look at it logically. Maybe you dont like it, it got great reviews from all places I saw. And is likely to have an expansion pack at some point. Doom3 did better on NV hardware at the time, and it was always brought up as a reason to buy a NV card. I thought it sucked, but some people liked it.

i dont have to relax, and i have nothing against X19XTX its just horrible to see every ati-fanboy talk about FEAR like its the only game out now,while we have better games based on doom3 engine!! and lots are coming! btw the X18XT is still in the 400-500 price range and sometimes more except the refurb.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Alaa

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Alaa
do u think everybody is playing fear, ackmed? i dont think so..i dont like it and it doesnt matter wether ati is better in it or not, so for some ppl 1 game has nothing to do with their purchase...the GTX stayed long time before anything is released from ati...for a while the X18XT was goin up against GTX256 then the GTX512 came to crash it, after that X19XTX came to have the lead...7900 is coming to do sumthing which we dont know yet...

I said in "some games such as F.E.A.R.". I have serious doubts that the 7900 will be faster in that game, if all they did was add pipes, and up the clocks. Or games like it in the future. I also said I think the 7900 will be faster in "a lot of games". Perhaps you should relax, and look at it logically. Maybe you dont like it, it got great reviews from all places I saw. And is likely to have an expansion pack at some point. Doom3 did better on NV hardware at the time, and it was always brought up as a reason to buy a NV card. I thought it sucked, but some people liked it.

i dont have to relax, and i have nothing against X19XTX its just horrible to see every ati-fanboy talk about FEAR like its the only game out now,while we have better games based on doom3 engine!! and lots are coming! btw the X18XT is still in the 400-500 price range and sometimes more except the refurb.

What better games do we have based on the doom 3 engine? Quake 4 was a mediocre game at best, slightly better than doom 3. The only good game coming that uses a highly modified doom 3 engine is enemy territory: quake wars. The performance on that game remains to be seen, nVidia might do a bit better but then again ATi does some really nice memory controller optimizations like they did for Q4.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Alaa

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Alaa
do u think everybody is playing fear, ackmed? i dont think so..i dont like it and it doesnt matter wether ati is better in it or not, so for some ppl 1 game has nothing to do with their purchase...the GTX stayed long time before anything is released from ati...for a while the X18XT was goin up against GTX256 then the GTX512 came to crash it, after that X19XTX came to have the lead...7900 is coming to do sumthing which we dont know yet...

I said in "some games such as F.E.A.R.". I have serious doubts that the 7900 will be faster in that game, if all they did was add pipes, and up the clocks. Or games like it in the future. I also said I think the 7900 will be faster in "a lot of games". Perhaps you should relax, and look at it logically. Maybe you dont like it, it got great reviews from all places I saw. And is likely to have an expansion pack at some point. Doom3 did better on NV hardware at the time, and it was always brought up as a reason to buy a NV card. I thought it sucked, but some people liked it.

i dont have to relax, and i have nothing against X19XTX its just horrible to see every ati-fanboy talk about FEAR like its the only game out now,while we have better games based on doom3 engine!! and lots are coming! btw the X18XT is still in the 400-500 price range and sometimes more except the refurb.

Get used to it. First Half Life2, then FEAR, whatever game ATI is winning at the moment is the only one that matters.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Alaa

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Alaa
do u think everybody is playing fear, ackmed? i dont think so..i dont like it and it doesnt matter wether ati is better in it or not, so for some ppl 1 game has nothing to do with their purchase...the GTX stayed long time before anything is released from ati...for a while the X18XT was goin up against GTX256 then the GTX512 came to crash it, after that X19XTX came to have the lead...7900 is coming to do sumthing which we dont know yet...

I said in "some games such as F.E.A.R.". I have serious doubts that the 7900 will be faster in that game, if all they did was add pipes, and up the clocks. Or games like it in the future. I also said I think the 7900 will be faster in "a lot of games". Perhaps you should relax, and look at it logically. Maybe you dont like it, it got great reviews from all places I saw. And is likely to have an expansion pack at some point. Doom3 did better on NV hardware at the time, and it was always brought up as a reason to buy a NV card. I thought it sucked, but some people liked it.

i dont have to relax, and i have nothing against X19XTX its just horrible to see every ati-fanboy talk about FEAR like its the only game out now,while we have better games based on doom3 engine!! and lots are coming! btw the X18XT is still in the 400-500 price range and sometimes more except the refurb.

Better games is subjective. I didnt like Doom3, nor Q4. Quakewares looks like my type of game, but its not out yet. Again, I said "games like F.E.A.R.", aka heavy shader games. There are several of those coming out as well. The performance difference betweent he X1900XTX and the 512MB in F.E.A.R. is much greater thant the difference in Q3 based games. The X1800XT is $400 for an new OEM at newegg right now. $40 less than the cheapest GTX (430/1200) on newegg. The GTX is retail though.

I dont know why you have a problem with what I said. I agreed with the OP, in saying that I think NV's next card will be about 20%+ faster in most games, other than games that used heavy shaders like F.E.A.R. Its all opinion right now, most seem to agree however. The XTX is about 25fps faster than the 512MB GTX in F.E.A.R, and I just dont think more pipes and higher clocks will catch it. I do think it will catch, and surpase the XTX in most other games however. Assuming the alleged specs are true. If you dont agree with me fine, but I dont really care.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
What better games do we have based on the doom 3 engine? Quake 4 was a mediocre game at best, slightly better than doom 3.

1. The Doom3 engine will be used for many games, what games are upcoming using FEARs engine?
2. I'm still playing Quake4, I got tired of shooting soldiers in FEAR really quickly
3. You can't quantify what is a "good" game- it's too subjective. I think it's boring to shoot soldiers, others think it's boring to shoot aliens, others think it's boring to shoot, period. You have to consider all genres.

The only good game coming that uses a highly modified doom 3 engine is enemy territory: quake wars. The performance on that game remains to be seen, nVidia might do a bit better but then again ATi does some really nice memory controller optimizations like they did for Q4.

What about Prey? And according to FS and XBit the X1900XTX is losing by 9fps at Quake 4 already, the situation isn't likely to improve with the G71.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
I dont know why you have a problem with what I said. I agreed with the OP, in saying that I think NV's next card will be about 20%+ faster in most games, other than games that used heavy shaders like F.E.A.R. Its all opinion right now, most seem to agree however. The XTX is about 25fps faster than the 512MB GTX in F.E.A.R, and I just dont think more pipes and higher clocks will catch it. I do think it will catch, and surpase the XTX in most other games however. Assuming the alleged specs are true. If you dont agree with me fine, but I dont really care.

Predicting the future is seldom easy Ackmed.

Here's my prediction: some games will come out that run better on nVidia, some will come out that run better on ATI. I bet I'm closer to right than you are.

LOL at how the ATI fans always say "Future games will be just like GameX that runs better on ATI!". :laugh:

Used to be HL2, now it's FEAR. Same old, same old.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Rollo

1. The Doom3 engine will be used for many games, what games are upcoming using FEARs engine?

None as far as I know but that's not what the subject was about. I was addressing his remark that the doom engine has a lot of other good games based on it. Two games in production and one released doesn't constitute a lot.

2. I'm still playing Quake4, I got tired of shooting soldiers in FEAR really quickly

That's nice but I think you're one of the few still playing that boring game.

3. You can't quantify what is a "good" game- it's too subjective. I think it's boring to shoot soldiers, others think it's boring to shoot aliens, others think it's boring to shoot, period. You have to consider all genres.

Of course I can quantify it based on opinion. My opinion is Quake 4 and Doom 3 were both boring games. Hell I don't even think FEAR is some masterpiece either, personally I liked Far Cry far better than all of them. I'm also anticipating Quake Wars very much because I like those futuristic battlefield type of shooters - since I know you've told me and posted many times that you dislike battlefield type of games, I better not see ya espousing the greatness of quake wars when it is released.

What about Prey?

What about it? It's an unreleased game, don't know how it will perform yet.

And according to FS and XBit the X1900XTX is losing by 9fps at Quake 4 already, the situation isn't likely to improve with the G71.

76 vs 85 fps, not exactly a deal breaker though is it? Especially when you consider that the reviews used older drivers (5.13/6.1) that weren't designed for the X1900. Some sites used Cat 6.2b so I'm not sure why those two didn't. Anyway yes I do think the situation will improve, not get worse. I just feel bad for 512 GTX users, they have to look high and low for the card, pay $750+ for it and then be forced to use HQ AF (which takes a nice performance hit) because the Quality AF is below ATi's default AF. I can't say I'd ever be compelled to buy another nVidia card again until they improve their Quality AF mode and introduce angle independent AF.

 

[tuteja1986]

Oblivion and its game over for your 7800GTX 512MB Rollo