If the only thing you have is a hammer...

[Riprorin]

everything looks like a nail.

I'm really sick of the arrogance of the traditional medical community in the US.

Does it ever occur to most MD's that there are other treatment options besides drugs and surgery?

 

[vi edit]

A lot of the blame goes on the patient IMHO.

Not always, but many times it's THEM screaming for drugs or a surgury to magically fix all that ails them.

Too many people want the quickest answer, not the best.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
everything looks like a nail.

I'm really sick of the arrogance of the traditional medical community in the US.

Does it ever occur to most MD's that there are other treatment options besides drugs and surgery?

Probably because a lot of the treatments you're referring to have no 'real' support or research. And why would you go to a medical doctor if you want to try some herbal remedy? You'll go to a herbal practioner. They're only familiar with what they're taught and what they read. It's hard enough to keep up on the latest medical news, you expect them to waft through all the other quackeries that's out there?

 

[Booster]

Does it ever occur to most MD's that there are other treatment options besides drugs and surgery?

Surgery and drugs help (?) everybody, unlike herbs and stuff I guess.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: Riprorin
everything looks like a nail.

I'm really sick of the arrogance of the traditional medical community in the US.

Does it ever occur to most MD's that there are other treatment options besides drugs and surgery?

Probably because a lot of the treatments you're referring to have no 'real' support or research. And why would you go to a medical doctor if you want to try some herbal remedy? You'll go to a herbal practioner. They're only familiar with what they're taught and what they read. It's hard enough to keep up on the latest medical news, you expect them to waft through all the other quackeries that's out there?

Are you suggesting that any treatment other than drugs or surgery is quackery?

 

[amnesiac]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: Riprorin
everything looks like a nail.

I'm really sick of the arrogance of the traditional medical community in the US.

Does it ever occur to most MD's that there are other treatment options besides drugs and surgery?

Probably because a lot of the treatments you're referring to have no 'real' support or research. And why would you go to a medical doctor if you want to try some herbal remedy? You'll go to a herbal practioner. They're only familiar with what they're taught and what they read. It's hard enough to keep up on the latest medical news, you expect them to waft through all the other quackeries that's out there?

Are you suggesting that any treatment other than drugs or surgery is quackery?

No, but what I think he's getting at is that it's hard enough for doctors to tabulate all existing traditional medical treatments out there to determine what is in their patients' best interest. Having them research all forms of "alternative" treatment would be asking too much, considering the vast amount of "alternative treatments" are a) never clinically proven, b) no more effective than a placebo, or c) outright shams.

Not saying that alternative medicine is fake, or that it should not be tried; there are many procedures and remedies that do work. However the industry is much less heavily regulated (posing a higher risk of treatments being ineffective), are not covered by insurance in many cases, and are often practiced by individuals with far lesser education/training than an MD.

 

[djheater]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: Riprorin
everything looks like a nail.

I'm really sick of the arrogance of the traditional medical community in the US.

Does it ever occur to most MD's that there are other treatment options besides drugs and surgery?

Probably because a lot of the treatments you're referring to have no 'real' support or research. And why would you go to a medical doctor if you want to try some herbal remedy? You'll go to a herbal practioner. They're only familiar with what they're taught and what they read. It's hard enough to keep up on the latest medical news, you expect them to waft through all the other quackeries that's out there?

Are you suggesting that any treatment other than drugs or surgery is quackery?

Riprorin for a fight...

Not all doctors think that way. If you don't like the way your doctor thinks get a new doctor.

They're people too, many suck some don't.

 

[Kyteland]

If the only thing you have is a hammer...

I'd hammer in the morning....

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: djheater

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: Riprorin
everything looks like a nail.

I'm really sick of the arrogance of the traditional medical community in the US.

Does it ever occur to most MD's that there are other treatment options besides drugs and surgery?

Probably because a lot of the treatments you're referring to have no 'real' support or research. And why would you go to a medical doctor if you want to try some herbal remedy? You'll go to a herbal practioner. They're only familiar with what they're taught and what they read. It's hard enough to keep up on the latest medical news, you expect them to waft through all the other quackeries that's out there?

Are you suggesting that any treatment other than drugs or surgery is quackery?

Riprorin for a fight...

Not all doctors think that way. If you don't like the way your doctor thinks get a new doctor.

They're people too, many suck some don't.

Good luck finding a doctor that's accepting new patients much less one that's open to alternative medicine.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: djheater

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: Riprorin
everything looks like a nail.

I'm really sick of the arrogance of the traditional medical community in the US.

Does it ever occur to most MD's that there are other treatment options besides drugs and surgery?

Probably because a lot of the treatments you're referring to have no 'real' support or research. And why would you go to a medical doctor if you want to try some herbal remedy? You'll go to a herbal practioner. They're only familiar with what they're taught and what they read. It's hard enough to keep up on the latest medical news, you expect them to waft through all the other quackeries that's out there?

Are you suggesting that any treatment other than drugs or surgery is quackery?

Riprorin for a fight...

Not all doctors think that way. If you don't like the way your doctor thinks get a new doctor.

They're people too, many suck some don't.

Good luck finding a doctor that's accepting new patients much less one that's open to alternative medicine.

You're going to turn this thread into a flamefest. Please stop.

 

[Riprorin]

In my community there are very few doctors that are accepting new patients.

Where's the controversy?

I injured my neck 20 years ago? What did the traditional medical community do for me? The prescribed anti-inflammatory pills even though I had a restricted range of motion, I was getting frequent muscle spasms, and my arms would go numb if laid on my back.

What a joke.

One visit to the chiropractor and I got a deal of the range of motion back.

Did my MD refer me? Hell no, I went myself.

Thank goodness I did otherwise I would have ended up hunched over. I'll have to live with the arthritis though.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
In my community there are very few doctors that are accepting new patients.

Where's the controversy?

I injured my neck 20 years ago? What did the traditional medical community do for me? The prescribed anti-inflammatory pills even though I had a restricted range of motion, I was getting frequent muscle spasms, and my arms would go numb if laid on my back.

What a joke.

One visit to the chiropractor and I got a deal of the range of motion back.

Did my MD refer me? Hell no, I went myself.

Thank goodness I did otherwise I would have ended up hunched over. I'll have to live with the arthritis though.

For the record, I agree with you.

Western medicine has lost site of what is important, it seems.

 

[Riprorin]

Wow, I'm not used to have someone agree with me (at least publically).

Usually I go against the grain.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
In my community there are very few doctors that are accepting new patients.

Where's the controversy?

I injured my neck 20 years ago? What did the traditional medical community do for me? The prescribed anti-inflammatory pills even though I had a restricted range of motion, I was getting frequent muscle spasms, and my arms would go numb if laid on my back.

What a joke.

One visit to the chiropractor and I got a deal of the range of motion back.

Did my MD refer me? Hell no, I went myself.

Thank goodness I did otherwise I would have ended up hunched over. I'll have to live with the arthritis though.

Soooo, this thread is based on 20 year old information??? My mom was referred to a chiropractor for back pain... I had neck pain and chronic headaches... again, referred to a chiropractor to see if it would help (it did)... Many insurance companies cover chiropractic care now (Community Blue covers 10 visits, I believe).

This is a result of chiropractic care being proven to help with joint problems/pain. However, some chiropractors believe that EVERYTHING can be cured or prevented through proper chiropractic care, including such things as strept throat. It hasn't been proven yet, and imho is nonsense.

Nonetheless, if your thread is about doctors not referring patients to chiropractors, you're about 20 years too late with your thread... they do, and chiropractic care is accepted as valid treatment of some medical conditions.

But, if you're suggesting that doctors should be considering treating cancer by rubbing patients feet (reflexology), then you're as nutty as the people who believe that all can be cured by reflexology. There are plenty of people who practice this, but apparently they're all too busy or too lazy (or just plain can't because it's not true) to do a study to prove their methods are any more beneficial than placebos alone.

 

[DrPizza]

I killed the thread

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: Riprorin
In my community there are very few doctors that are accepting new patients.

Where's the controversy?

I injured my neck 20 years ago? What did the traditional medical community do for me? The prescribed anti-inflammatory pills even though I had a restricted range of motion, I was getting frequent muscle spasms, and my arms would go numb if laid on my back.

What a joke.

One visit to the chiropractor and I got a deal of the range of motion back.

Did my MD refer me? Hell no, I went myself.

Thank goodness I did otherwise I would have ended up hunched over. I'll have to live with the arthritis though.

Soooo, this thread is based on 20 year old information??? My mom was referred to a chiropractor for back pain... I had neck pain and chronic headaches... again, referred to a chiropractor to see if it would help (it did)... Many insurance companies cover chiropractic care now (Community Blue covers 10 visits, I believe).

This is a result of chiropractic care being proven to help with joint problems/pain. However, some chiropractors believe that EVERYTHING can be cured or prevented through proper chiropractic care, including such things as strept throat. It hasn't been proven yet, and imho is nonsense.

Nonetheless, if your thread is about doctors not referring patients to chiropractors, you're about 20 years too late with your thread... they do, and chiropractic care is accepted as valid treatment of some medical conditions.

But, if you're suggesting that doctors should be considering treating cancer by rubbing patients feet (reflexology), then you're as nutty as the people who believe that all can be cured by reflexology. There are plenty of people who practice this, but apparently they're all too busy or too lazy (or just plain can't because it's not true) to do a study to prove their methods are any more beneficial than placebos alone.

I injured my neck 20 years ago and my doctor treated me with anti-flammatories. I saw the chiropractor recently on my own initiative. I don't know why he didn't refer me.

I've never heard of reflexology so I can't comment.

As far as drugs, I'd much rather try vitamins/nutrients first. For example there are alternatives to statins for lowering cholesterol, but most doctors don't seem to prescribe them. I guess they aren't as sexy as the drug company darlings.

 

[gopunk]

you know you could just go to some herbal medicine doctor...

 

[jemcam]

.....I'd bury it in your head.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: gopunk
you know you could just go to some herbal medicine doctor...

Or, you could do your own research and treat yourself and tell your doctor what tests you want ordered.

Works for me.

 

[Konigin]

Originally posted by: Kyteland

If the only thing you have is a hammer...

I'd hammer in the morning....

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

I was just waiting for someone to post that