If the Dems take the House but not the Senate it will be the FIRST time ever that has happened

[Aisengard]

So what happened to Rove's genius that were going to save the Republicans' skin this year? Guess lying doesn't work when people see through them.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Since Senators become directly elected the House have NEVER shifted hands without the Senate following.

IF this happens it might be a sign that the Democratic victory is not a total national sweep, but might just be localized in certain areas.

Will have to see the final results and see where the Dems picked up seats.

This post evoked the scene towards the end of Inherit the Wind, with you portraying Matthew Harrison Brady...

But there is a hint of truth to what you're saying. Some Americans are slower than others.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Curiously, Faux News is already spinning the GOP talking points . . . keep Dem gains under 30 . . .


On a more ominous note . . . Tester loses part of his margin with every update while McCaskill is winning women handily in MO but is still down overall.

 

[senseamp]

Looks like Dems have very good shot at taking Senate. Of course Allen will try to make you think white voters were disenfranchised in VA

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Looks like Dems have very good shot at taking Senate. Of course Allen will try to make you think white voters were disenfranchised in VA

They probably were. He will call for an investigation as to why they weren't allowed to bring their voting-eye macacas to the polls.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Aisengard
So what happened to Rove's genius that were going to save the Republicans' skin this year? Guess lying doesn't work when people see through them.

Economic indicators are pretty good.

Starting an elective war based on lies did them in. American people are tired of it. Tired of daily "optimistic" assesments for three years, all tuning out to be bunk. Tired of body bags. Tired of bottomless money pit.

I hope Democrats have ideas to fix the unfixable.

 

[UNCjigga]

Well maybe if more Senate seats were up for grabs Dems would take it. Lemme ask you this--how many GOP incumbents lost, and how many Dem incumbents lost? There's your story. Did you see what happened in Rhode Island? Exit polls showed 62% approved of GOP incumbent Chafee's job performance, but he lost BIG to Whitehouse--because voters were voting AGAINST Bush.

Oh and don't be surprised if moderate Republicans in the Senate split with Bush and his cabinet on a number of major issues...they know Bush's ship is sinking and they're not all willing to go down with it. Likewise, I know Lieberman won't always side with Pelosi and the Dems.

I'm looking forward to 2 years of hell for Bush and his agenda, and I bet his right hand is gonna get tired of swinging that veto pen.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: UNCjigga
Well maybe if more Senate seats were up for grabs Dems would take it. Lemme ask you this--how many GOP incumbents lost, and how many Dem incumbents lost? There's your story. Did you see what happened in Rhode Island? Exit polls showed 62% approved of GOP incumbent Chafee's job performance, but he lost BIG to Whitehouse--because voters were voting AGAINST Bush.

Oh and don't be surprised if moderate Republicans in the Senate split with Bush and his cabinet on a number of major issues...they know Bush's ship is sinking and they're not all willing to go down with it. Likewise, I know Lieberman won't always side with Pelosi and the Dems.

I'm looking forward to 2 years of hell for Bush and his agenda, and I bet his right hand is gonna get tired of swinging that veto pen.

Here's the kicker, though . . . if Bush doesn't learn to play nice with the Democrats . . . his legacy will be HUGE deficits, weakened middle class, debacle in Iraq, and killing the GOP majority.

If they are smart (and I'm not convinced) Democrats will 'try' to send him:
1) permanent repeal of marriage penalty
2) make child tax credit permanent (although likely reduced amount and means tested)
3) modest increase in minimum wage
4) modifications to Drug Benefit - negotiated prices, reduce doughnut hole, etc
5) comprehensive immigration reform
6) maybe even toss in some education credits
7) possibly consumer and industry tax credits for alternative energy/conservation

A whole bunch of Republicans will ride those trains . . . possibly enough to be veto proof. On the otherhand, if Bush signs them he can take credit for a rather progressive domestic agenda which is a far cry from his Top 10% policies to date.

Other tax cuts will expire (and the AMT will catch more and more people) but both of those factors will likely make the long-term fiscal picture look much better.

As for the I-word . . . both parties will likely use the commission report as cover . . . even if they don't follow whatever is recommended.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

MT - still Tester but it's getting ever tighter

MO - finally McCaskill in the lead

VA - recount but at least Allen is sucking wind


Looks like Dick won't be that busy after all

 

[slash196]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Since Senators become directly elected the House have NEVER shifted hands without the Senate following.

IF this happens it might be a sign that the Democratic victory is not a total national sweep, but might just be localized in certain areas.

Will have to see the final results and see where the Dems picked up seats.

No, it means the Republicans were extremely entrenched in the system and that the Democrats had to defend more seats. The average Senate pickup during a 14-year itch is 6 seats. If the dems tie they'll have only been one below average, and they've considerably beaten the average in the house. So your whole initial premise is flawed. Not to mention, the democrats may, and probably will take the senate as well so this whole point is kinda moot at this stage.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Krakn3Dfx
DEMs have known from the get-go that the Senate was a long shot, we have picked up seats in the Senate, and with Independents caucasing with the Democrats, it will still be more even than it has been in 6 years.

I'm personally looking forward to House oversite ramping up and seeing exactly what the Bush admin has been up to for the last 6 years that they've been hiding all this time.

won`t happen....

 

[Painman]

For what it's worth...

Talent has conceded.

It's VA and MT now.