Originally posted by: TallBill
rofl.. the who? jk, but seriously i havnt been keeping up on sports for the last 4 years
heh
Originally posted by: isekii
Originally posted by: Y23KC
I don't think the Nets will win, BUT I don't think they will be swept like last year either. The have a VERY underrated defense that leads to all those fast break points. I think they have lots of athletic ability, just don't have a great go to guy for scoring. I think a Dallas/New Jersey series would be exciting with the Mavs winning in 7 since EVERY series the Mavs play in go 7. If the Spurs win, I feel that New Jersey just wouldn't have a stopper for Tim Duncan unless they've holding Dikembe Mutombo for the finals
Who do you think Martin is gonna matchup against ?
He'll make a great 1:1 with Tim Duncan... and Nets do have pretty good defense..so if Martin needed help... they got him covered.
I really don't think it'll be a good idea for Scott to play Mutumbo unless he's really necessary.
Nets are a fast break team... and if you noticed SA with their defense in the 4th NJ isn't gonna have any problem running up and down the court. That's what they're good at.
As good as Kenyon has become, I don't remember him being on the all defensive team. More than likely they'll use Collins and Williams and maybe Mutombo on Duncan so Kenyon doesn't get worn out on defense to where his offense suffers. When they help on Duncan, they just would need to make sure their rotations were quick so Bowen and the other guys don't get wide open looks. They have a quick enough team to do this so I say regardless of who the Nets play in the finals, they probably will be able to pull off 2-3 wins and maybe even win the whole damn thing. I don't think it will happen, but that's just my opinion.
Originally posted by: Y23KC
Originally posted by: isekii
Originally posted by: Y23KC
I don't think the Nets will win, BUT I don't think they will be swept like last year either. The have a VERY underrated defense that leads to all those fast break points. I think they have lots of athletic ability, just don't have a great go to guy for scoring. I think a Dallas/New Jersey series would be exciting with the Mavs winning in 7 since EVERY series the Mavs play in go 7. If the Spurs win, I feel that New Jersey just wouldn't have a stopper for Tim Duncan unless they've holding Dikembe Mutombo for the finals
Who do you think Martin is gonna matchup against ?
He'll make a great 1:1 with Tim Duncan... and Nets do have pretty good defense..so if Martin needed help... they got him covered.
I really don't think it'll be a good idea for Scott to play Mutumbo unless he's really necessary.
Nets are a fast break team... and if you noticed SA with their defense in the 4th NJ isn't gonna have any problem running up and down the court. That's what they're good at.
As good as Kenyon has become, I don't remember him being on the all defensive team. More than likely they'll use Collins and Williams and maybe Mutombo on Duncan so Kenyon doesn't get worn out on defense to where his offense suffers. When they help on Duncan, they just would need to make sure their rotations were quick so Bowen and the other guys don't get wide open looks. They have a quick enough team to do this so I say regardless of who the Nets play in the finals, they probably will be able to pull off 2-3 wins and maybe even win the whole damn thing. I don't think it will happen, but that's just my opinion.
Everyone knows Martin belongs on the All Defensive team... reason why he didn't make it ? Simple.. his immaturity the last 2 seasons. With the amount of technicle fouls and outbursts, there was no way he would have made it.
Originally posted by: LeeTJ
and the sh!t talking begins again.
talk about watered down, no team won more championships in a weak league than MJ's bulls.
This has truth in it, but any team that can win 72 games in a season is damn good. Watered down or not
Originally posted by: isekii
Originally posted by: Y23KC
Originally posted by: isekii
Originally posted by: Y23KC
I don't think the Nets will win, BUT I don't think they will be swept like last year either. The have a VERY underrated defense that leads to all those fast break points. I think they have lots of athletic ability, just don't have a great go to guy for scoring. I think a Dallas/New Jersey series would be exciting with the Mavs winning in 7 since EVERY series the Mavs play in go 7. If the Spurs win, I feel that New Jersey just wouldn't have a stopper for Tim Duncan unless they've holding Dikembe Mutombo for the finals
Who do you think Martin is gonna matchup against ?
He'll make a great 1:1 with Tim Duncan... and Nets do have pretty good defense..so if Martin needed help... they got him covered.
I really don't think it'll be a good idea for Scott to play Mutumbo unless he's really necessary.
Nets are a fast break team... and if you noticed SA with their defense in the 4th NJ isn't gonna have any problem running up and down the court. That's what they're good at.
As good as Kenyon has become, I don't remember him being on the all defensive team. More than likely they'll use Collins and Williams and maybe Mutombo on Duncan so Kenyon doesn't get worn out on defense to where his offense suffers. When they help on Duncan, they just would need to make sure their rotations were quick so Bowen and the other guys don't get wide open looks. They have a quick enough team to do this so I say regardless of who the Nets play in the finals, they probably will be able to pull off 2-3 wins and maybe even win the whole damn thing. I don't think it will happen, but that's just my opinion.
Everyone knows Martin belongs on the All Defensive team... reason why he didn't make it ? Simple.. his immaturity the last 2 seasons. With the amount of technicle fouls and outbursts, there was no way he would have made it.
14th in the league in blocks + 20th in the league in steals = not being on the all nba defensive team.
Originally posted by: Y23KC
Originally posted by: isekii
Originally posted by: Y23KC
Originally posted by: isekii
Originally posted by: Y23KC
I don't think the Nets will win, BUT I don't think they will be swept like last year either. The have a VERY underrated defense that leads to all those fast break points. I think they have lots of athletic ability, just don't have a great go to guy for scoring. I think a Dallas/New Jersey series would be exciting with the Mavs winning in 7 since EVERY series the Mavs play in go 7. If the Spurs win, I feel that New Jersey just wouldn't have a stopper for Tim Duncan unless they've holding Dikembe Mutombo for the finals
Who do you think Martin is gonna matchup against ?
He'll make a great 1:1 with Tim Duncan... and Nets do have pretty good defense..so if Martin needed help... they got him covered.
I really don't think it'll be a good idea for Scott to play Mutumbo unless he's really necessary.
Nets are a fast break team... and if you noticed SA with their defense in the 4th NJ isn't gonna have any problem running up and down the court. That's what they're good at.
As good as Kenyon has become, I don't remember him being on the all defensive team. More than likely they'll use Collins and Williams and maybe Mutombo on Duncan so Kenyon doesn't get worn out on defense to where his offense suffers. When they help on Duncan, they just would need to make sure their rotations were quick so Bowen and the other guys don't get wide open looks. They have a quick enough team to do this so I say regardless of who the Nets play in the finals, they probably will be able to pull off 2-3 wins and maybe even win the whole damn thing. I don't think it will happen, but that's just my opinion.
Everyone knows Martin belongs on the All Defensive team... reason why he didn't make it ? Simple.. his immaturity the last 2 seasons. With the amount of technicle fouls and outbursts, there was no way he would have made it.
14th in the league in blocks + 20th in the league in steals = not being on the all nba defensive team.
What about AI ? Why did it take him that long to make the USA Team ? As good as he is .. he does have his shares of outbursts.
Originally posted by: Y23KC
Originally posted by: isekii
Originally posted by: Y23KC
I don't think the Nets will win, BUT I don't think they will be swept like last year either. The have a VERY underrated defense that leads to all those fast break points. I think they have lots of athletic ability, just don't have a great go to guy for scoring. I think a Dallas/New Jersey series would be exciting with the Mavs winning in 7 since EVERY series the Mavs play in go 7. If the Spurs win, I feel that New Jersey just wouldn't have a stopper for Tim Duncan unless they've holding Dikembe Mutombo for the finals
Who do you think Martin is gonna matchup against ?
He'll make a great 1:1 with Tim Duncan... and Nets do have pretty good defense..so if Martin needed help... they got him covered.
I really don't think it'll be a good idea for Scott to play Mutumbo unless he's really necessary.
Nets are a fast break team... and if you noticed SA with their defense in the 4th NJ isn't gonna have any problem running up and down the court. That's what they're good at.
As good as Kenyon has become, I don't remember him being on the all defensive team. More than likely they'll use Collins and Williams and maybe Mutombo on Duncan so Kenyon doesn't get worn out on defense to where his offense suffers. When they help on Duncan, they just would need to make sure their rotations were quick so Bowen and the other guys don't get wide open looks. They have a quick enough team to do this so I say regardless of who the Nets play in the finals, they probably will be able to pull off 2-3 wins and maybe even win the whole damn thing. I don't think it will happen, but that's just my opinion.
and what a joke it is that he ISN'T on the all defensive team. Listen to everyone in the league and they tell you that he SHOULD have made the all defensive team. THE ONLY reason he hasn't is because he got NO respect for last year because of his bad boy attitude and he really only did it for one year.
He will be a perenial all defense player.
Originally posted by: isekii
Originally posted by: Y23KC
Originally posted by: isekii
Originally posted by: Y23KC
Originally posted by: isekii
Originally posted by: Y23KC
I don't think the Nets will win, BUT I don't think they will be swept like last year either. The have a VERY underrated defense that leads to all those fast break points. I think they have lots of athletic ability, just don't have a great go to guy for scoring. I think a Dallas/New Jersey series would be exciting with the Mavs winning in 7 since EVERY series the Mavs play in go 7. If the Spurs win, I feel that New Jersey just wouldn't have a stopper for Tim Duncan unless they've holding Dikembe Mutombo for the finals
Who do you think Martin is gonna matchup against ?
He'll make a great 1:1 with Tim Duncan... and Nets do have pretty good defense..so if Martin needed help... they got him covered.
I really don't think it'll be a good idea for Scott to play Mutumbo unless he's really necessary.
Nets are a fast break team... and if you noticed SA with their defense in the 4th NJ isn't gonna have any problem running up and down the court. That's what they're good at.
As good as Kenyon has become, I don't remember him being on the all defensive team. More than likely they'll use Collins and Williams and maybe Mutombo on Duncan so Kenyon doesn't get worn out on defense to where his offense suffers. When they help on Duncan, they just would need to make sure their rotations were quick so Bowen and the other guys don't get wide open looks. They have a quick enough team to do this so I say regardless of who the Nets play in the finals, they probably will be able to pull off 2-3 wins and maybe even win the whole damn thing. I don't think it will happen, but that's just my opinion.
Everyone knows Martin belongs on the All Defensive team... reason why he didn't make it ? Simple.. his immaturity the last 2 seasons. With the amount of technicle fouls and outbursts, there was no way he would have made it.
14th in the league in blocks + 20th in the league in steals = not being on the all nba defensive team.
What about AI ? Why did it take him that long to make the USA Team ? As good as he is .. he does have his shares of outbursts.
I agree with the AI and not being on the USA team. He's one of those guys that's grown up through the years and matured much. I guess the USA not only picks some of the great players but also who would represent the country in a positive way. Who knows, maybe they don't like the dude
Originally posted by: Y23KC
Originally posted by: LeeTJ
and the sh!t talking begins again.
talk about watered down, no team won more championships in a weak league than MJ's bulls.
This has truth in it, but any team that can win 72 games in a season is damn good. Watered down or not
wrong.
truth is ANY Time one team can win 72 games THE LEAGUE IS WATERED down.
Originally posted by: LeeTJ
Originally posted by: Y23KC
Originally posted by: isekii
Originally posted by: Y23KC
I don't think the Nets will win, BUT I don't think they will be swept like last year either. The have a VERY underrated defense that leads to all those fast break points. I think they have lots of athletic ability, just don't have a great go to guy for scoring. I think a Dallas/New Jersey series would be exciting with the Mavs winning in 7 since EVERY series the Mavs play in go 7. If the Spurs win, I feel that New Jersey just wouldn't have a stopper for Tim Duncan unless they've holding Dikembe Mutombo for the finals
Who do you think Martin is gonna matchup against ?
He'll make a great 1:1 with Tim Duncan... and Nets do have pretty good defense..so if Martin needed help... they got him covered.
I really don't think it'll be a good idea for Scott to play Mutumbo unless he's really necessary.
Nets are a fast break team... and if you noticed SA with their defense in the 4th NJ isn't gonna have any problem running up and down the court. That's what they're good at.
As good as Kenyon has become, I don't remember him being on the all defensive team. More than likely they'll use Collins and Williams and maybe Mutombo on Duncan so Kenyon doesn't get worn out on defense to where his offense suffers. When they help on Duncan, they just would need to make sure their rotations were quick so Bowen and the other guys don't get wide open looks. They have a quick enough team to do this so I say regardless of who the Nets play in the finals, they probably will be able to pull off 2-3 wins and maybe even win the whole damn thing. I don't think it will happen, but that's just my opinion.
and what a joke it is that he ISN'T on the all defensive team. Listen to everyone in the league and they tell you that he SHOULD have made the all defensive team. THE ONLY reason he hasn't is because he got NO respect for last year because of his bad boy attitude and he really only did it for one year.
He will be a perenial all defense player.
Maybe he will be, but the last time I checked, the all defensive team was selected on stats. See earlier post about why he didn't this year. His outbursts and such don't cost him anything except at that moment since it proves he can't keep his head in the game.
Originally posted by: Y23KC
This is true. Just think, Ben Wallace was SECOND in the league in steals at the power forward
ben wallace has to get steals, blocks and boards, he has to justify his lack of scoring somewhere.
ben wallace and dennis rodman don't really count as they are ROLE players to the MAX. they excel at it, don't get me wrong, but you can't use their stats to gauge their position.
Originally posted by: LeeTJ
Originally posted by: Y23KC
This is true. Just think, Ben Wallace was SECOND in the league in steals at the power forward
ben wallace has to get steals, blocks and boards, he has to justify his lack of scoring somewhere.
ben wallace and dennis rodman don't really count as they are ROLE players to the MAX. they excel at it, don't get me wrong, but you can't use their stats to gauge their position.
I agree totally with that. Martin is MUCH more talented as far as all around than either of these guys. Whether Martin could play Duncan or not, I don't think we'll find out since Byron Scott won't make that matchup since this could put Kenyon in foul trouble, wear him out playing defense on someone that will get the ball almost every half court possesion, etc. Regardless, Kenyon I think is the key for the Nets success in the finals. Last year, he had a pitiful series with the Lakers until game 4 when he exploded for 35 points.
Originally posted by: Y23KC
Originally posted by: LeeTJ
Originally posted by: Y23KC
This is true. Just think, Ben Wallace was SECOND in the league in steals at the power forward
ben wallace has to get steals, blocks and boards, he has to justify his lack of scoring somewhere.
ben wallace and dennis rodman don't really count as they are ROLE players to the MAX. they excel at it, don't get me wrong, but you can't use their stats to gauge their position.
I agree totally with that. Martin is MUCH more talented as far as all around than either of these guys. Whether Martin could play Duncan or not, I don't think we'll find out since Byron Scott won't make that matchup since this could put Kenyon in foul trouble, wear him out playing defense on someone that will get the ball almost every half court possesion, etc. Regardless, Kenyon I think is the key for the Nets success in the finals. Last year, he had a pitiful series with the Lakers until game 4 when he exploded for 35 points.
I agree, Kidd will get his 25 pts, 8 assists, 8 rbs, and 3 steals a game. RJ will get his 15 pts and 6 rbs. KMart is the key, if he scores like he did in the Eastern Conference playoffs, 20 pts, 9 rb and 3 assists per game, the nets will be very hard to beat.
dallas will have a better chance than the spurs. i'm not convinced the spurs have a consistently good offense. other than duncan i don't think there is one spur i'd take over their respective counterpart in NJ.
Duncan over KMart (but who knows in a couple of years)
after that.
Collins/Williams over Robinson/Willis
Kittles over jackson (pretty close and mb insignificant)
Kidd over Parker
Richard Jefferson over Bowen
Also, NJ has a more rounded and more consistent defense than anyone either the mavs or spurs have faced this playoff series.
well, spurs have pretty good D.
To dismiss NJ is silly.
I just read that the Nets have a 3-5 record against the top teams from the west this year. Well if they can't win 4 games out of 8 in the regular season, what makes you think they are going to win 4 out of 7 in the finals?
As far as the Spurs go, they are undefeated in the playoffs when Parker scores 20. He has got to be the one to step up for them. Dallas exploited SA offensive weakness by double teaming Duncan and making Parker (and Ginobli) beat them. About half the time SA has been able to make Dallas pay, and the offer half Dallas won with the strategy. Right now if Parker doesn't step up his game, SA could be ousted by the Mavs in the west. Mavs / Nets final would be a more exciting brand of basketball anyway
LeeTJ, Spurs don't have just pretty good D. They have one of the best, if not THE best, defensive teams in the NBA.
As far as the Spurs go, they are undefeated in the playoffs when Parker scores 20. He has got to be the one to step up for them. Dallas exploited SA offensive weakness by double teaming Duncan and making Parker (and Ginobli) beat them. About half the time SA has been able to make Dallas pay, and the offer half Dallas won with the strategy. Right now if Parker doesn't step up his game, SA could be ousted by the Mavs in the west. Mavs / Nets final would be a more exciting brand of basketball anyway
LeeTJ, Spurs don't have just pretty good D. They have one of the best, if not THE best, defensive teams in the NBA.
The Nets only have to play one team in the Finals not four. That team has yet to be determined. If you would like to argue that the Net's regular season reflects the way they are playing right now, you are welcome to, but I don't think it would be wise. Let me pose a question to you. If the Spurs get outscored in the fourth quarter in 11 of the last 14 games, what makes you think they can beat a team like the Mavs, or the Nets that score in bunches? Tout the defense of the Spurs all you like, but you won't beat many teams by putting up 10 points in the fourth quarter like the Spurs did against the Mavs in Game 5.
Dallas had a pitiful record against western conference against teams with .500 records or better. Of course come playoff time, it's been a different story. Dallas is going to need to run some more plays for Finley to finish off the Spurs regardless if Nowitski comes back or not. I would like to see Lafrentz get some touchs on the low block to try to draw some fouls on Duncan, but Duncan is a very smart defender and Lafrentz is not a great offender, so that strategy may not work as well as Finley getting some isolation and pick & roll plays.
I will tell you why the Nets have done well in the playoffs. No western conference teams. They had to play the 6th best teams in the league and worse in their playoffs, where Dallas and SA had to beat the cream of the crop to get where they are. Put any of the top four WC teams in the east bracket and they do as well if not better than the Nets. Yes the Nets are also playing inspired ball, but it's not like they had to do it against the best teams in the league. Just wait until the finals.
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