If somebody spiked Bush's drink with Truth Serum, what would he say?

[Narmer]

Almost six years into this Presidency and Bush isn't good at answering questions at all. Instead he just bullsh!ts the reporter. He works for us yet the man just isn't right for the job. I wished he'd stop fubbing and his answers were clearer, not unlike EVERY other world leader that sits down with a reporter.

Nevertheless, it'd be interesting to hear what he would say if he was being absolutely honest. The one time I got something out of him was when he said that 9/11 brings a lot a opportunities, and he gave that crack-laugh.

 

[DrPizza]

He'd probably sound the same after truth serum. For 5 years, I couldn't decide if he was just bs'ing, or if he was just plain stupid. I finally came to the conclusion: stupid.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
He'd probably sound the same after truth serum. For 5 years, I couldn't decide if he was just bs'ing, or if he was just plain stupid. I finally came to the conclusion: stupid.

Yeah, but stupid people make a lot of mistakes and they have countless gaffes. I'd like to think his minders trained him to simply BS his way out of tough questions.

 

[Jeff7]

He wouldn't say much before Cheney, Rove, and Snow would tackle him and have him drug off stage. The next day, or even later that day they'd have some kind of spin on it. Probably something like that Bush is just a recovering alcoholic, and he's going to rehab now. Bush's brief blabberring about suckering so many people into a war in Iraq, how stupid we were to believe him that Saddam was involved in 9/11, and how we've got big plans for Iran, it'll all be forgotten. I mean really, Bush was drunk, who hasn't said stupid, crazy stuff while drunk?

 

[Forsythe]

"Never blame on evil what you can on stupidity", is my motto. He'd say nothing new.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Could he even speak?

 

[BoomerD]

Sheesh, he's probably "asplode"...The conflict between HAVING to tell the truth, and NEEDING to lie would be so strong, that his system couldn't handle it, and he'd go into overload....

 

[Siddhartha]

On what subjects do you guys think that GWB is not telling the truth? Give me a list...

 

[trenchfoot]

everything that has come out of his mouth so far has been either pnac propaganda (lies) or spin (more lies) to butress the propaganda.

he lied himself into office. he lied himself (and us) into iraq. he has lied himself into becoming the consummate liar.

the truth to him is an alternate reality that by necessity is either subject to personal interpretation or, upon failure of rationalizing it to his liking, conveniently avoidable.

come to think of it, because he's been lying his way all through his life, i really don't think he knows the difference between understanding the truth and understanding *his* version of it. therefore, in his eyes, he never lies, he's never wrong; he's only very often misunderstood.

so, to the topic title: more lies.

to the topic summary: not on mr. bush.

edit -

On what subjects do you guys think that GWB is not telling the truth? Give me a list...

eh, on second thought... i think my ram/cache ram would cough up a bsod in its pathetic attempt to keep up with me in replying.

 

[fskimospy]

Unfortunately there's no such thing as a truth seurum. Some things make you more suggestible, some make you more likely to tell the truth (hell, a couple beers will do that), but no magic pill or anything.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Unfortunately there's no such thing as a truth seurum. Some things make you more suggestible, some make you more likely to tell the truth (hell, a couple beers will do that), but no magic pill or anything.

Then maybe all we'd have to do is get him drunk and he'll explode, not unlike Mel Gibson. Hmmm.

 

[Craig234]

On what subjects do you guys think that GWB is not telling the truth? Give me a list...

There are entire books listing his lies. My guess is you can't be bothered to read one?

Let's touch on a few.

'Compassionate conservative' - this is directly out of the polling to get him elected and a campaign marketer. He's been anything but, but it helped him get votes when the polls showed the public saw that as a weakness.

Social Security: hes said all kinds of things about his plans on this which are not honestly reflecting the republican agenda to attack social security since it's a reminder to the voters of what democrats did for them, and to get Wall Street its biggest stream of profits in at least many decades.

He made his administration lie to the public about the new Medicare drug benefit costs, in order to get it passed with the windfall of $150 billion for the drug industry by prohibiting the government from negotiating drug prices like the VA does.

The Estate Tax: besides the republicans enforcing an Orwellian, false name that's crucial for their progpaganda, Bush has told all kinds of lies about the small farmer families who lost the farm to the tax.

When he'd say he had just talked to a bunch of them and the press asked for names, the White House had none. The GOP did a big search for such people and found none.

His tax cuts for the wealthy: he said that the 'vast majority of the tax cuts go to those at the bottom'. A flat out lie about his single biggest economic policy.

Miscellaneous propaganda lies: for his 'mission accomplished' speech, the White House lied about why he had to fly the jet instead of taking a helicoptor, and lied about the origin of the 'Mission Accomplished' banner on the ship that they'd created.

No Child Left Behind: did not fund it as promised to get Ted Kennedy joining him on the bill.

Basic issues: his saying that Donald Rumsfeld would continue as Secretary of Defense for his entire second term just before the 2008 election.

That's enough for a start. Next comes what idd he tell the truth about, it's perhaps a shorter list.

Remember, his lies are usually in the 'spin' category, misleading but not black and white lies. That's still a big problem, a worse one in some ways.

 

[JEDIYoda]

wrong forum...belongs in Off Topic!!

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
wrong forum...belongs in Off Topic!!

Why do you say that? This is politics.

 

[judasmachine]

someone needs to push him off the wagon. drunk bush would be interesting.

 

[Jhhnn]

I doubt he'd say anything different. The reason he's been an effective mouthpiece for the rightwing is because he's quite sincere- he believes every bit of it- right, wrong or indifferent. He's as much a true believer as any of his followers.

Having accepted certain ideas, he lives in a mental straightjacket, and his handlers keep it buckled up tight.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
wrong forum...belongs in Off Topic!!

Why do you say that? This is politics.

This is fantasy not politics.....of course an argument could be made they are one and the same....

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
I doubt he'd say anything different. The reason he's been an effective mouthpiece for the rightwing is because he's quite sincere- he believes every bit of it- right, wrong or indifferent. He's as much a true believer as any of his followers.

Having accepted certain ideas, he lives in a mental straightjacket, and his handlers keep it buckled up tight.

I guess that makes sense too. He's proven numerous times that he botches things up when speaking in public, such as clips of him saying that we shouldn't be in Iraq, and a slip-up when talking about Iraq, he said something about attacking Iran, er, Iraq. When he does that, Rove probably swats him with a rolled up newspaper after the speech. "What did you do? What did you do? No!"

 

[techs]

hehe... I"m really the Anti-Christ....hehe

 

[JD50]

Lol, if all else fails, just fall back to the whole "Republicans are stupid" argument. Where is Moonbeam? Doesn't he always say something about calling other people stupid or idiots, something about how its more about your insecurity than anything else?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: JD50
Lol, if all else fails, just fall back to the whole "Republicans are stupid" argument. Where is Moonbeam? Doesn't he always say something about calling other people stupid or idiots, something about how its more about your insecurity than anything else?

JD50 I see Moonbeam has another convert!!!
I see his message is getting accross !!!

 

[Jhhnn]

I never claimed Bush was stupid. Within the paradigms he's accepted, he functions quite well. OTOH, those paradigms don't provide the kind of flexibility needed to really solve the problems at hand, but rather serve only to exacerbate and continue them.

If a navigator believes the earth is flat, he can use that model to navigate quite successfully within the confines of the mediterranean, but that pov won't allow him to function on a greater scale, somewhere out in the middle of the pacific...

And that's much the same wrt the neocon world view- it looks a lot different from the terrace at the country club than it does from anywhere else. Marie Antoinette's famous remark, "Let them eat cake" wasn't made to be insulting, or because she was stupid, at all, but rather because her pov was somewhat disconnected form the common zeitgeist... she lived within mental constraints very similar to those of our current leadership... and was no more inclined to question them than George Bush....

He likely believes that renominating Bolton and the four rejected court nominees really *is* some sort of compromise, an effort to unite the country behind a bipartisan agenda- his original agenda, which must be bipartisan, since it was his original agenda... bipartisan by definition.

Modern "Conservatism" is shot through with such circular reasoning, with many adherents entirely content to end up right back where they started- perhaps a bit befuddled, but willing to set out on the same course all over again, somehow expecting different results this time around... it's all "faith-based", anyway, so it doesn't have to make sense...

 

[EXman]

You libs win and still like to call names. funny thing this guy still beats whatever you put up for election!

 

[trenchfoot]

Originally posted by: EXman
You libs win and still like to call names. funny thing this guy still beats whatever you put up for election!

maybe what that means is that bush (rove, actually) and the rnc that ran his election campaigns are good at putting people in office, but that's about it.

because they were/are primarily focused on taking good care of the rich and priviledged for the past six years, bush and his rubber-stamping repub controlled congress have managed to screw things up so badly in all other areas of running our gov't as to have the voters return control of congress to the dems.

had the presidency been up for grabs this election cycle it doesn't seem too far-fetched that we might have wound up with a dem president as well.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: Craig234

On what subjects do you guys think that GWB is not telling the truth? Give me a list...

There are entire books listing his lies. My guess is you can't be bothered to read one?

What books are you referring to?