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If Oprah ran for President, how far would she get?

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Originally posted by: SMOGZINN
Originally posted by: PimpJuice
Speaking of ignorance showing......I believe racism was the reason for the civil war, not Lincoln. The south still wanted to enslave blacks and thats why it happened. Youre confusing me, are you saying that the complaints against Lincoln are valid and that you agree with them? What are you trying to prove? I said that people complained about lincoln and you tell me that they still do? Who the hell are these people that are still complaining about not being able to enslave people anymore?

hatemonger out!
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Emancipation was not a major cause of the civil war. Tariffs were the thing that caused the South to secede. Lincoln had made many assurances that he did not intend to abolish slavery and would enforce Fugitive Slave Laws. Even after the war was started Lincoln did not abolish slavery, but waited almost 2 years. When he did announce the Emancipation Proclamation, he did it for military reasons, not for moral ones. Even then it applied only to states that had seceded from the Union, and exempted states that had stayed loyal, and any states that were already under Union control.
The American Civil War was about power between the states, not civil liberties.

And yes, I do think that the complaints against Lincoln are valid. Lincoln broke The Union because he wished to buy votes with the more populous northeastern states by applying tariffs that hurt only the southern states. His party made any type of compromise impossible because they had decided that they could win any election with out the support of the far less populous southern states.

Emancipation could have been reached with out a war. Lincoln and his Republican party is what made the war necessary. In the end they broke the balance of state rights and we are still living with that today.
Do these statements make me a racist? No, I would have supported the abolishment of slavery no matter what it cost. I would have also supported the succession of the southern states because the federal government had failed in its role as a fair arbiter between the states by taxing some states to hold down their economic influence on the rest of the nation.
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sounds like you know what youre talking about more than i do......but i still say that any and every president will have complaints against him. It wont discount whether they were successful or not. A female president will have just as many as anyone else, whereas mosq was saying that 'every president has had complaints', so 'give a woman a chance'.
 
Every time I've seen the Oprah show she seems to be talking about how opressed black people are. I don't think white people would vote for someone who tells them how awful they are for opressing black people even though a lot of modern racism is either misunderstanding or media sensationalism.
 
Personally, I think a woman president is capable of doing a job as good as a male president or better.

I wouldn't vote for a woman president because of one simple fact: international politics. Women don't get the respect they deserve in many parts of the world, sad but true.

However, I have voted for a winning female govenor.
 
she does have 900 million dollars in net worth to market herself. who knows... if she ran with a white conservative democrat as her vice president.. you never know.
 
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