If OPERATION ANACONDA was a coverup of a fuster cluck, would your support be the same?

MadRat

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Tony Blair has related to his close friends that the American special forces are in disarray over in Afghanistan. Apparently the whole "Operation Anaconda" episode was near disaster. The American forces have trained for altitudes no higher than 5000feet, which is less than half the height of where most of the Taliban are suspected of hiding.

U.S. B-52 bombers on carpet bombing runs have been unable to make a dent in the dispersed Taliban forces of late. The Taliban has retreated to their cave network much of it in altitudes as high as 13000feet, just on the edge of the height for American transport helicopters. Alot of these cave shelters date back to the Afghani war with the Soviet Union, therefore are well known by forces loyal to the Taliban but relatively unknown to Afghani militia forces.

The U.S. has begged for British mountaineers in exchange for American support of an invasion into Iraq this summer. The British goal may be to circumvent an all out invasion by concentrating on the oil fields in the western side of Iraq, an area much easier to control with commando units and light armor than the heavy ground units of Desert Storm. American airpower would be key to prevent any meaningful Iraqi counterassaults.

If British involvement is a garauntee of an Iraqi invasion my guy instinct is that the war on terrorism is years away from ending. Afghanistan is going to be under constant pressure from Taliban forces if the U.S. forces are having such a hard time locating these secret mountain outposts.

How long will your patience last? Will you tolerate an invasion of Iraq?
 

tcsenter

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What a bunch of crap. The 10th Mountain Division and the 5th Special Forces Group, among others divisions and units, have had many joint training exercises in high altitude mountain warfare with the Pakistani military (among others) who are renowned for their high altitude operability. I highly doubt we begged the British for anything, except maybe for the recipe of some delicious crumpetty thingies.

War protestors and critics of the U.S. define a "near disaster" as "anything the US does and it doesn't go off without a hitch". These were extremely demanding and dangerous combat conditions, which admittedly the United States military aren't experienced 'experts' in. We did fine.
 

Texmaster

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LOL And they call me a flamebaiter
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At least I have some links supporting my arguement.
 

UltraQuiet

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He posted this same 10000 ft crap in this thread Idiot. When I questioned him on it, he ignored it. Big surprise. Even if we did ask for help doing an operation that calls for a specialist, so fscking what. That's why you have allies and form coalitions.
 

Texmaster

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<< He posted this same 10000 ft crap in this thread Idiot. When I questioned him on it, he ignored it. Big surprise. Even if we did ask for help doing an operation that calls for a specialist, so fscking what. That's why you have allies and form coalitions. >>



Should have expected as much. Thanks Dave
 
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The soldiers are fine, other than the getting shot and hurt part. There is no disarray you speak of. Alot of the guys are out of Fort Drum, the 10th mountain division. This is what they do day in and day out. The altitude adjustment should have already set in. My cousin's husband is out of Fort Drum and over there. He is fine, but as of last week 13 of his buddies had been shot or injured :(
 

Ornery

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"...my guy instinct is that the war on terrorism is years away from ending..."

My, how perceptive! :Q

Bush vows to rid the world of 'evil-doers' September 16, 2001
  • "...It's a war that will involve much more than just the military, and will likely take years to complete.

    "It will take a broad, sustained effort that will have to use our diplomatic, our political, our economic, our financial strength, as well as our military strength," said Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, speaking with reporters. "It will take time. It's not a matter of days or weeks. It's years. It's going to take the support of the American people and I have every confidence it'll be there."
 

MadRat

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The lack of dead Taliban during Operation Anaconda lends itself to the British claims of disarray.
 

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Couldn't agree more.

Stop reading BBC Online and just stick to what you KNOW about it (which doesn't sound like a whole lot).
 

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<< The lack of dead Taliban during Operation Anaconda lends itself to the British claims of disarray. >>


Your lack of answers to direct questions and your continual posting about subjects you obviously know nothing about lends itself to my claim that you are an ignorant troll.
 

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A Major screw up would be scores of Americans coming home in Body Bags, but it's possible the operation wasn't as successful as it has been reported.(It's also possible that it was) These guys we're are fighting aren't the Pussy Ass Republican Guard of Iraq, these are Hardened Militia that have been fighting Russians in Chechnya for the last 15 years along with Fanatics that don't have the word surrender in their vocabulary. We very well could be years away from our military objective there . Of course the longer we are there the more unpopular the effort will become at home and around the world.

The question is this, do we continue to try and wipe them off the face of the earth or do we go about it like pest controllers, coming back every 6 years or so and rid the country of as many of the terrorist vermin as we can without sustaining to many causulties ourselves? Who knows, I sure don't. I have a feeling that the American Public just doesn't have the stomach for a long sustained war with the possibility of heavy causulties.
 

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<< 'fuster cluck'? >>

Whats a Fuster Cluck?? Is that anything like a Rhode Island Red on Qualudes?
 

Lucky

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<< The lack of dead Taliban during Operation Anaconda lends itself to the British claims of disarray. >>


Your lack of answers to direct questions and your continual posting about subjects you obviously know nothing about lends itself to my claim that you are an ignorant troll.
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actually reports showed as recently as a week ago that very few bodies had been found, even after partially completing the upper-alititude sites. Its reported some fled to pakistan while others went even higher up in caves.
 

her209

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I have yet to see any numbers on the cost of this war? Anyone out there in Anandtech land know?
 

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<< actually reports showed as recently as a week ago that very few bodies had been found, even after partially completing the upper-alititude sites. Its reported some fled to pakistan while others went even higher up in caves. >>


Lets tell the whole story shall we. The daily pentagon briefings also say there was a lack of dead bodies. They also say that there were other indications (blood,discarded/broken weapons, etc.) that there were lots of dead and wounded.

 

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<< The daily pentagon briefings also say there was a lack of dead bodies. They also say that there were other indications (blood,discarded/broken weapons, etc.) that there were lots of dead and wounded. >>

If I were in Charge of this war and the information released to the Public I would say the same thing whether it was truye or not. As long as they make sure they don't get carried away with false enemy body counts like they did in Nam I would find it perfectly acceptable. Of course if I were in charge that whole area would be glowing right now.
 

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<< War protestors and critics of the U.S. define a "near disaster" as "anything the US does and it doesn't go off without a hitch". These were extremely demanding and dangerous combat conditions, which admittedly the United States military aren't experienced 'experts' in. We did fine. >>



I couldn't agree more. The terrorists in Afghanistan have been doing this for decades on their home turf, and people expect the US to go in and mop up in just a few days? With no casualties? In every war there is friendly fire, f*ckups, and casualties, and we need to deal with it. If we don't deal with it now, we'll pay for it later when a smuggled nuke goes off in one of our cities, or smallpox breaks out, or some other major terrorist attack. These people hate Western culture, and think nothing of their own lives when they choose to attack it. No amount of "economic sanctions" will change that attitude, so we have to get down and dirty. I believe the American people have a clear understanding of that.
 

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<< I believe the American people have a clear understanding of that. >>


I believe the American peoples attention span only lasts until the next commercial. I wish I could share your optimism. Even if the American people do understand I believe that much of our future actions will be driven by world opinion. Mainly Europe and the Middle East. My guess is that we will not be allowed to finish what we have started here. Again.
 

Howard

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Frankly, I don't even know how you could properly include the usage of cluster f* in that sentence. Do you know what it means?