If Obamacare not overturned, GOP should embrace the individual mandate concept

[Ausm]

You just have to think about who the mandate will effect. It centainly isn't the poor, they already have Medicaid. Just stickin it to the middle class once again. Obama has to claim the $5000 penalty is a tax for it to be constitutional but he promised if you made less than $250,000 your taxes won't go up. Hmmmm

Can you share some of that shit you are smok'in?

 

[Matt1970]

Can you share some of that shit you are smok'in?

Once again you are free to try and prove anything I say wrong. Who do YOU think the madate will effect?

 

[Ausm]

Once again you are free to try and prove anything I say wrong. Who do YOU think the madate will effect?

I think the goal when the Republicans were originally backing the Mandate was essentially a sloppy wet kiss for the Health insurance industry.

 

[Matt1970]

I think the goal when the Republicans were originally backing the Mandate was essentially a sloppy wet kiss for the Health insurance industry.

Well, once again you didn't prove anything I said wrong. Along the lines of what you mentioned, all we really needed to do was remove the interstate restrictions on healthcare and that would get rid of the cluster-f$%^ monopoly state insurance companies have. Then that little lizard would be saying a 15 minute call could save you 15% or more on your Health Insurance. I would never support a mandate no matter who proposes it.

 

[nonlnear]

I think the goal when the Republicans were originally backing the Mandate was essentially a sloppy wet kiss for the Health insurance industry.

More like a rimjob.

 

[Ausm]

more like a rimjob.

+1 qft

 

[Thump553]

What's wrong with change, was ok during the last election.

And democrats of yesteryear were for donning white robes and hoods and burning crosses.

Dems were for it before they were against it...

Change you can believe in.

The tired old OP shill tactic- tar the Democratic Party with the racism of a sector of former Democrats who are now Republicans as a result of the Nixon era Southern strategy. It's so intellectually dishonest and fools no one but themselves.

 

[hal2kilo]

The tired old OP shill tactic- tar the Democratic Party with the racism of a sector of former Democrats who are now Republicans as a result of the Nixon era Southern strategy. It's so intellectually dishonest and fools no one but themselves.

He thinks it's his trump card.

 

[Atreus21]

Let's say the Supreme Court leaves Obamacare intact, leaving in place the individual mandate. It's completely naive to believe that such a new power will be used one time only for health insurance and won't be commonly used in the future by politicians; if you don't believe me then check the history of the income tax which was to be temporary and only a percent or two for the very rich. Why then should the GOP not "weaponize" the mandate concept to achieve their desired policy goals? With a handful of carefully crafted mandates and penalties to enforce them, you could essentially gut the transfer payment system in the U.S. For instance, a nice simple mandate that everyone open and put money into a private individual retirement savings account, or we'll hit you with a hefty penalty (or is it a tax?). Or maybe just make it easier and take away your social security payments. Either way, it's a huge win - either people change their behavior to meet your desired policy outcome, or you save lots of money by garnishing wages, earned income tax credits, and the such of those who refuse.

Absolutely. I don't trust the GOP with this sort of power either.

 

[Munky]

LOL at democrats finger-pointing. "The repubs said it first!"

 

[BoberFett]

Yes, but not blatantly transparent like the Republicants.

So the transparent corruption of Republicans is bad, but the under the table corruption of the Democrat is OK because you can pretend that they aren't bending you over?

Sad, sad little partisan.


No insults or personal attacks.

Administrator Idontcare

Are you fucking serious? This is an attack? If my post is an attack, I'm going to report 100's of posts per day in this forum.

 

[blankslate]

The bigger issues with privatizing social security will be political. Especially after this recession I don't think there's a lot of demand for it.

Privatizing... nope it would be Corporatization. It one of the largest piles of money that corporations haven't gotten their mits on yet.


"....and now they're coming for your social security money. They want your fucking retirement money. They want it back! So they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street. And you know something they'll get it. They'll get it all from you sooner or later because they own this fucking place..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT0OJEFlq7A

 

[Ausm]

So the transparent corruption of Republicans is bad, but the under the table corruption of the Democrat is OK because you can pretend that they aren't bending you over?

Sad, sad little partisan.

Where dd I say that?

 

[Ausm]

privatizing... Nope it would be corporatization. It one of the largest piles of money that corporations haven't gotten their mits on yet.


"....and now they're coming for your social security money. They want your fucking retirement money. They want it back! So they can give it to their criminal friends on wall street. And you know something they'll get it. They'll get it all from you sooner or later because they own this fucking place..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt0ojeflq7a

+1 qft

 

[iLL_Skillz]

I'll just leave this here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FknJLMc84bo