If Obama Ran in 08

[Hacp]

Hilary ftw.

 

[palehorse]

a smart guy, not enough experience. dont waste his longterm potential!

i may or may not vote for him, depending on the opposition of course, but I dont think he'd do too badly if he won.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
a smart guy, not enough experience. dont waste his longterm potential!

i may or may not vote for him, depending on the opposition of course, but I dont think he'd do too badly if he won.

:Q

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: Lothar

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I like Jeb, he is everything his brother is not and a great speaker, but he is still a Bush, if he can change his name then he could win. Make a good cabinet member though since he can't run for much down here, unless he wants to be in congress.

My reputation of Jeb has been tarnished by his undertaking in the Schavio case calling for government involvement.
If he was running regardless of name change or not, I'd vote against him.

Wow..you let one thing like that change your opinion.

Why not?
I don't see why government should be involved in such personal family issues and turning it into a political cash cow.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Craig234
Todd33 asks:

Was/is Bush qualified for any higher office? LOL.

In the following post, Pabster posts:

No, and No.

I'd have to say that Pabster finally made a political post without error, but I don't think that's what he meant, unfortunately.

No, it wasn't

I was referring strictly to O'Bama, and the answer is still No and No. :laugh:

 

[CPA]

Let's see, he has:

- campaigned for stricter gun control in Illinois (as a Senator there).
- authored a bill to basically abolish capital punishment in Illinois (when he was a Senator there)
- significantly and consistently increased spending on social welfare programs
- campaigned against making estate tax cuts permanent
- campaigned for an amnesty program for legalizing illegal aliens
- vocal opposition to privatizing, even a portion of such, Social Security
- voted to increase the federal minimum wage

So, based on the above, I would voice a hardy "NO" for my vote.

Oh, and for you libs, he voted for the Patriot Act allowing for roving wire taps and making many sections of the Act permanent. It wasn't just a Repub vote that carried it through.

 

[piasabird]

I am from Illinois, and I dont think he can even carry his own state.

While in office he has tried to do a hatchet job on things like the Southern Illinois University Retirement System (SURS), which is my pension plan. I dont think Illinois should even vote for him.

This man is an idiot.

 

[LunarRay]

What States that will return to their normal... "better a conservative than a liberal" stance when there is no incumbent President or Vice President running for office can Mr. Obama swing to the Donkey side? And what is it that he has done or has his voting history done that will cause those states to move away from their security?... IMO Obama has done nothing at all to move anyone anywhere..... He cannot win the Donkey trot primary based on today's numbers.. Low positives and so so negatives... but in the States that matters... he has one big negative... Focus on the 'Swing' States... that is all that matters.. Who can move them...

Edit:... My numbers indicate that the Republicans could RUN an Elephant and it would get a solid 172 electorial votes and the Democrates could RUN a Donkey and it would get ... well I believe 165.... That sorta means that no matter who runs who or what those are States in the bag.... All things being equal... Status Quo maintained.. etc..
So.. if you look at 2004... and that ain't too far off what I'd expect this election in '08, who can move them 'swing' states... remember (Well IMO) ... Donkey MUST do the moving on the key 8 States.. Like Florida... otherwise Elephant type Creatures will roam with power..

 

[ElFenix]

i don't even know what he stands for. part of the reason he became a rock star in the political world is that he won illinois so handily. but after ryan bowed out cuz he and his former (hotass) wife used to have kinky sex at clubs or whatever, obama hardly had any competition. so of course he would win a landslide.

but the guy has serious momentum and a lot of press.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: LunarRay
What States that will return to their normal... "better a conservative than a liberal" stance when there is no incumbent President or Vice President running for office can Mr. Obama swing to the Donkey side? And what is it that he has done or has his voting history done that will cause those states to move away from their security?... IMO Obama has done nothing at all to move anyone anywhere..... He cannot win the Donkey trot primary based on today's numbers.. Low positives and so so negatives... but in the States that matters... he has one big negative... Focus on the 'Swing' States... that is all that matters.. Who can move them...

How about we run somebody decent and let the chips fall where they may. I would rather there be an election in which there was somebody to vote for who was worthy of being a President than one where some slime-ball democrat has a 8 state chance to win. I think 50% of the country doesn't vote because they have a choice between crap and manure.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
How about we run somebody decent and let the chips fall where they may. I would rather there be an election in which there was somebody to vote for who was worthy of being a President than one where some slime-ball democrat has a 8 state chance to win. I think 50% of the country doesn't vote because they have a choice between crap and manure.

you're probably right.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: LunarRay
What States that will return to their normal... "better a conservative than a liberal" stance when there is no incumbent President or Vice President running for office can Mr. Obama swing to the Donkey side? And what is it that he has done or has his voting history done that will cause those states to move away from their security?... IMO Obama has done nothing at all to move anyone anywhere..... He cannot win the Donkey trot primary based on today's numbers.. Low positives and so so negatives... but in the States that matters... he has one big negative... Focus on the 'Swing' States... that is all that matters.. Who can move them...

How about we run somebody decent and let the chips fall where they may. I would rather there be an election in which there was somebody to vote for who was worthy of being a President than one where some slime-ball democrat has a 8 state chance to win. I think 50% of the country doesn't vote because they have a choice between crap and manure.

It don't work that way, Moonster... hehehhe

It is all about math... Each side will seduce members to NOT run in the primary IF that might hurt the one they want in November... This is a game.. a chess match.. It don't much have to do with Decent nor letting chips fall anywhere... The only time you'll find Decent is when and IF someone can 3rd party a November Election... No one can so it is sorta like Dumb and Dumber.... and it is like a box of chocolates... in the light of day.. they all melt and make a mess... but kept in the fridge they don't make a mess but neither can they be consumed with out a few broken teeth...

edit: folks don't vote who just don't care to go vote.. they will talk alot but go to the polls and MAYBE make a difference.. not often... Their non votes are essential to all strategy... and the only way to move them is not going to happen.. I'd opt for a payment to them to vote... pay them to get off their butts and vote.. but as you said.. for whom... We would need a catastrophe and a White Knight... and where are we to find the Knight... the catastrophe going on at the moment don't seem to bother many..

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: LunarRay
What States that will return to their normal... "better a conservative than a liberal" stance when there is no incumbent President or Vice President running for office can Mr. Obama swing to the Donkey side? And what is it that he has done or has his voting history done that will cause those states to move away from their security?... IMO Obama has done nothing at all to move anyone anywhere..... He cannot win the Donkey trot primary based on today's numbers.. Low positives and so so negatives... but in the States that matters... he has one big negative... Focus on the 'Swing' States... that is all that matters.. Who can move them...

How about we run somebody decent and let the chips fall where they may. I would rather there be an election in which there was somebody to vote for who was worthy of being a President than one where some slime-ball democrat has a 8 state chance to win. I think 50% of the country doesn't vote because they have a choice between crap and manure.

It don't work that way, Moonster... hehehhe

It is all about math... Each side will seduce members to NOT run in the primary IF that might hurt the one they want in November... This is a game.. a chess match.. It don't much have to do with Decent nor letting chips fall anywhere... The only time you'll find Decent is when and IF someone can 3rd party a November Election... No one can so it is sorta like Dumb and Dumber.... and it is like a box of chocolates... in the light of day.. they all melt and make a mess... but kept in the fridge they don't make a mess but neither can they be consumed with out a few broken teeth...

Then I guess I'll have a piece of candy and watch my country fall apart. It may be that it doesn't work that way but that's not because it doesn't work that way but because it doesn't work. When is the revolution?

 

[Aimster]

Ill be honest..

I dont know anything about him.

He can just give a really good speech. Like Clinton

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: techs
Obama has as much a chance to be President as does Condi Rice.
Slim to none.
In case you haven't noticed the are BLACK.
The racist vote is alive and well in America. In fact if you look at George Allen of Virginia its alive and well in the Senate.
I would think that 10-20 percent of people would not vote for a black person no matter what.

Funny that your troll post brings up Virginia, the first state to elect a black governor (Doug Wilder). I think race is way overplayed in national politics - the country is ready and willing to support an electable black candidate, be it such persons as Obama or Colin Powell (before he got Bush's tarnish all over himself). When black candidates are offered who aren't silly race-baiting clowns (like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson), the vast majority will assess them on their merits, and not thier race.

Virginia was my case in point. It is considered the most "progressive" of the "southern states" (with the exception of Louisiana).
Yet racism is alive and well in supposedly educated public servants like Allen.
You can't win a national election when you start with 10-20 percent of people who won't vote for you because of your color.
People in America are somewhat deluded into thinking we have made so much "progress" against racism. Yet, there are many, many institutions that still routinely deny blacks memberships, many "religious" colleges teach that the races are un-equal, etc.
Here's one thing that you can be sure of when you read public opinion polls including black candidates in much of America. Many people will tell a pollster they would vote for a black candidate because they don't want to seem racist.
When in the voting machine people then vote their prejudices.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Ill be honest..

I dont know anything about him.

He can just give a really good speech. Like Clinton

"just give a really good speech" You know this is all he can do? Where do great speeches come from I wonder?

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: slash196

Originally posted by: Lothar
He's not electable.

Self-fulfilling prophecy.

We can't elect a person because he's unelectable. See the circular logic?

He ran in Illinois almost unopposed. He was barely elected the first time.

 

[ntdz]

When I first glanced at the thread title, I think it said "If Osama ran in 08."

On Obama, I wouldn't vote for him.

 

[kingtas]

I think the beter question would be what percentage of African Americans would vote for him VS what percentage of European Americans would vote for him.

But that is not racism, or is it?

EDIT: Thought I better edit this post to actually answer the question.

I lean towards being a conservative but I think the man is intelligent and would listen to his views. And then again, it would depend on his pick for VP. If were Hilary, I would vote for the other person no matter what.

 

[imported_Tango]

He is overqualified for the job.

 

[Moonbeam]

I just e-mailed him to tell him to run. You should do the same.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Aimster
I'd vote for him

Yeah, sure you would, like when pigs can fly.

 

[judasmachine]

i wouldn't mind, however, he would have some growing up and convincing to do. i like him, but put under a microscope i can't say.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

I don't know too much about him, but from the few interviews I've heard, he seems like a bright guy and I know he was smart enough to get into and graduate from Harvad Law School (albeit, presumably, with some affirmative action help).

I'm tempted to vote for him merely because he seems intelligent, and we could really use that in Washington, but at the same time I wonder about his philosophy. Is he a touchy-feely altruist-liberal? Can he see reality and understand simple economic concepts?

And for me, the most important issue, what's his stance on Global Labor Wage Arbitrage?

Here's his NumbersUSA.com voting record profile:

http://profiles.numbersusa.com/improfile.php3?DistSend=IL&VIPID=1162

Voted on Senate floor to kill amendment to prevent Social Security for illegal aliens in 2006

Voted on Senate floor in favor of amendment to kill border fence in 2006

Voted in favor of bill to increase immigration and grant amnesty to illegal aliens in 2006

Voted in favor of motion to invoke cloture on S. 2611 to increase overall immigration numbers and reward illegal aliens with amnesty in 2006

Voted against amendment to cap employment-based visas in 2006

Voted to kill amendment to prevent guestworkers from getting greencards in 2006

Voted on Senate floor against amendment to postpone guestworker-amnesty program until borders secured in 2006

Voted against amendment to strip foreign-worker increase in 2005

Voted in favor of amendment to increase foreign-worker importation in 2005

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That's just a couple of his votes, but he doesn't look much better on those issues than most politicians. He certainly doesn't look like a friend of the American lower and middle classes. He's probably just another touchy-feely altruist withou a sense of "Americans first".

 

[Kerouactivist]

He would get my vote