If nvidia continues with mobo's as they have been,

[MikeMike]

will via be sent to the grave?

 

[vash]

Sorry, but NO. VIA has been around much longer then Nvidia, their existing share is actually quite good. With VIA getting a license to the P4, we'll be seeing even more VIA floating around.

vash

 

[V00DOO]

Also, VIA provides lots of Chipset for OEM manufactures.

 

[NTB]

Originally posted by: V00DOO
Also, VIA provides lots of Chipset for OEM manufactures.

and they're cheaper to boot, right? that'll certainly give OEMs an incentive to stay with VIA - or to choose VIA over NVIDIA for new products.

Nate

 

[Keego]

Originally posted by: NTB

Originally posted by: V00DOO
Also, VIA provides lots of Chipset for OEM manufactures.

and they're cheaper to boot, right? that'll certainly give OEMs an incentive to stay with VIA - or to choose VIA over NVIDIA for new products.

Nate

exactly. OEM's already have onboard video with via, I don't think nvidia offers anything spectacular to their eyes right now.

 

[AmdInside]

Originally posted by: Keego

Originally posted by: NTB

Originally posted by: V00DOO
Also, VIA provides lots of Chipset for OEM manufactures.

and they're cheaper to boot, right? that'll certainly give OEMs an incentive to stay with VIA - or to choose VIA over NVIDIA for new products.

Nate

exactly. OEM's already have onboard video with via, I don't think nvidia offers anything spectacular to their eyes right now.

I hope Via goes away. Hope they are the next ALi. I love competition in the marketplace. Better for consumer. I just hate Via's crap they they produce.

 

[EeyoreX]

I hope Via goes away. Hope they are the next ALi. I love competition in the marketplace. Better for consumer. I just hate Via's crap they they produce.

Don't buy VIA if you don't like it. I think wishing them out of business is a tad extreme however.

Personally, I like VIA and have nothing but good experiences with VIA chipsets. All three computers in my house are currently based on VIA chipsets and all work flawlessly, and have worked flawlessly for quite a while.

\Dan

 

[Remedy]

I hope Via goes away. Hope they are the next ALi. I love competition in the marketplace. Better for consumer. I just hate Via's crap they they produce.

You know, with thoughts like that. It's sad. It's only hardware and no one forces you to buy it. If VIA was to leave the AMD side or the industry altogether as you want them to. You know those "oh so low price" Nforce boards you seem to like? Guess what? No more Under $100 boards. All prices go up with less competition. VIA hasn't done anything wrong in the last 3 years except try to provide chipset logics to more than 4 different markets and also provided 10 different AMD solutions in the last 36months. They aren't exactly incompontent of producing chipsets. Let me guess, you're an 'x86 or silicon valley communist' ?

Lockable thread imo.

 

[Snoop]

VIA hasn't done anything wrong in the last 3 years except try to provide chipset logics to more than 4 different markets and also provided 10 different AMD solutions in the last 36months.

Via Kt 266? 686b southbridge? KT400 which doesnt support 400 memory? KT 400a which still doesnt support 400 memory(or is it fsb?)
Im just kidding ya, you are dead on remedy, we need competition in all segments of the computer industry. I believe Via is doing fine, my fear is for AMD.

 

[Remedy]

The keyword was "try". I do admit that VIA might of mis-launched a few ASIC's. But that doesn't mean they should "die" as a company. These people have families too you know. A job is a job. At the sametime Intel, AMD, SiS and plenty other outfits had errartications in their process as well. But no company is perfect. I'd like to see his face when Nforce's become 250$ by his reasoning of crossing out competition.

 

[AmdInside]

Originally posted by: ReMeDy{WcS}

I hope Via goes away. Hope they are the next ALi. I love competition in the marketplace. Better for consumer. I just hate Via's crap they they produce.

You know, with thoughts like that. It's sad. It's only hardware and no one forces you to buy it. If VIA was to leave the AMD side or the industry altogether as you want them to. You know those "oh so low price" Nforce boards you seem to like? Guess what? No more Under $100 boards. All prices go up with less competition. VIA hasn't done anything wrong in the last 3 years except try to provide chipset logics to more than 4 different markets and also provided 10 different AMD solutions in the last 36months. They aren't exactly incompontent of producing chipsets. Let me guess, you're an 'x86 or silicon valley communist' ?

Lockable thread imo.

For me its more directly related since I deal with Via for my job. Their bugs occupies alot of my time. Would rather spend that time doing more meaningful work. Would rather not be doing Via's job for them. Glad SiS is still around.

Another company I would like to see go away is PCChips and ECS. Both crap also. Also RIAA. Then I'll be happy

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: AmdInside

Originally posted by: Keego

Originally posted by: NTB

Originally posted by: V00DOO
Also, VIA provides lots of Chipset for OEM manufactures.

and they're cheaper to boot, right? that'll certainly give OEMs an incentive to stay with VIA - or to choose VIA over NVIDIA for new products.

Nate

exactly. OEM's already have onboard video with via, I don't think nvidia offers anything spectacular to their eyes right now.

I hope Via goes away. Hope they are the next ALi. I love competition in the marketplace. Better for consumer. I just hate Via's crap they they produce.

Then don't buy Via

 

[Remedy]

For me its more directly related since I deal with Via for my job. Their bugs occupies alot of my time. Would rather spend that time doing more meaningful work. Would rather not be doing Via's job for them. Glad SiS is still around.

If you're some kind of "a+" certified technician, then it's -your- job. SiS? Have you ever tried running SiS in a Linux environment lately? I mean this isn't rocket Science we're dealing with here. It's only a chipset that has very few(if any) bugs outside of the Anandtech or most hardware forums. I must've assembled over 100 via systems. Sent them out to the clients or whoever and never heard back from them. Only because the way hands(mine) that build them are the most reliant in dealing with pc's.

If you can post a VIA problem up that you couldn't troubleshoot in your daily workday. I'm more than welcome in doing a tech support job for you and providing a solution without charging you.

PCchips and ECS? What more do you want from them when they are a value board supplier?

 

[Cerb]

Another company I would like to see go away is PCChips and ECS. Both crap also. Also RIAA. Then I'll be happy

Except for ECS, sure. Good cheap boards.

SiS? Have you ever tried running SiS in a Linux environment lately?

Mandrake 9 and Knoppix (Debian), at least, install and boot. Done. IDE, sound, NIC, USB. At least with SiS 735 and 745.

 

[Cerb]

Ignore this post. Whoops.

 

[vss1980]

Erm... have you seen the cost of an nforce board compared to a KT400 board? I'm sure VIA are pretty happy to have a chipset which makes boards about 30% cheaper whilst only giving away on average just a few % in performance. I know if I was an OEM which one would attract my attention.

Actually, VIA are doing quite well as a core logic maker..... and at the moment nvidia are still way behind in their footsteps and have suffered their fair share of bugs and problems with their nforce chipsets. I actually attribute the blame for the bad points such as the KT400 not supporting 400MHz RAM properly on the consumers themselves. VIA released a chipset that could run stable with 400MHz RAM which was available but not yet standardised, and then these same silly people complain that support is poor.

Also, the 686B southbridge issues that tie in with the use of a Soundblaster card and copying large files..... hmmmm, where to start criticising creative labs..... why bother, why dont you just head over to their support forums and take a look yourself, only company around at the moment with driver support on the S3 level.

Although I have to admit the rushed KT266 chipset (which was pretty poor compared to the A version) and other issues are pretty bad, and that their chipsets have other little nigly bugs here and there, but even the mighty Intel get it wrong (anyone remember the MTH bug).

AmdInside:
"I hope Via goes away. Hope they are the next ALi. I love competition in the marketplace. Better for consumer. I just hate Via's crap they they produce."

If it wasn't for VIA's competition in the marketplace when the Athlon processors were released many years ago now, I think the success of the platform would have been significantly hindered..... I mean to be honest, AMD's initial supporting 750 chipset was just inadequate..... VIA carried the Athlon through the early times.

 

[Idoxash]

"For me its more directly related since I deal with Via for my job. Their bugs occupies alot of my time. Would rather spend that time doing more meaningful work. Would rather not be doing Via's job for them. Glad SiS is still around."

hey dude i take your job!!! I been layed off work far to long, eh... seems like you dun like to do what you are payed for what a shame...

--Idoxash

 

[McCarthy]

Let's see, 686 southbridge caused some crackling on some systems with one manufacturer's soundcard.
As for the large file copying, I didn't run into that one and I had that southbridge in my system up until a month ago.
The much maligned 4in1s are just chipset drivers, same as you have to do with any modern chipset. Never understood the bellyaching there. Installed the newest ones each time I upgraded/reinstalled windows while changing things around and each worked. Maybe ones before 2001 were a problem, only ones since I've dealt with.

What about....
Multiple vendor's PC2700 ram not working and many manufacturers ram not running stable at rated timings.
DDR400 is taking VIA forever, but what about the DDR333 that works in VIA boards, but not nForce2 ones? And since the topic is nVidia lovefest, how's about the reports nForce2 boards not making it to 200FSB?
BIOS corruption threads a plenty!
The HD incompatability (Western Digital) threads. Oops, that's a feature, not a bug.
The IDE file corruption threads? Oops, ok there's that 686 bug. Toss this one out.

I mean come on, yeah the nForce2 has a lot going for it. But really most of those same things are what VIA does well, what any functioning chipset does. nForce2 has bugs too, they all do. Left out one of my specific problems with the nForce just to stick to general complains I've seen by people building nForce2 systems. It's a good chipset, but it's no widowmaker.