If Kerry wins in '04

[Crimson]

If Kerry wins the election this year.. is there ANYTHING he can do wrong over the next 4 years that WON'T be blamed on Bush?

Anything bad happens in Iraq.. It was Bush's fault for getting us into that mess.

Anything bad happens in the Economy.. It was Bush's irresponsible tax cuts.

Anything bad happens Internationally.. It was Bush's failed foreign policy.

Terrorists strike again.. It was Bush upsetting them by invading Iraq.

Anything bad that happens it will simply be placed on the Bush Administration... and ultimately, the dems will finish it with. 'Well, we had no choice to vote for Kerry, we had to get Bush out of office."

So as I see it, if Bush loses, it doesn't matter WHAT Kerry does.. He can simply blame it on Bush. And the Kerry supporters will justitfy it because they just HAD to get rid of Bush.. So they will not blame themselves for electing him, and they will not blame him because it will be Bush's fault.

And if Bush does win, it will be 4 more years of dems going insane trying to make him look bad. Either way America loses.

 

[Genesys]

And if Bush does win, it will be 4 more years of dems going insane trying to make him look bad. Either way America loses.

throw your vote away and vote for nader!

or peroutka!

 

[tallest1]

Originally posted by: Crimson
If Kerry wins the election this year.. is there ANYTHING he can do wrong over the next 4 years that WON'T be blamed on Bush?

Anything bad happens in Iraq.. It was Bush's fault for getting us into that mess.

Anything bad happens in the Economy.. It was Bush's irresponsible tax cuts.

Anything bad happens Internationally.. It was Bush's failed foreign policy.

Terrorists strike again.. It was Bush upsetting them by invading Iraq.

Anything bad that happens it will simply be placed on the Bush Administration... and ultimately, the dems will finish it with. 'Well, we had no choice to vote for Kerry, we had to get Bush out of office."

So as I see it, if Bush loses, it doesn't matter WHAT Kerry does.. He can simply blame it on Bush. And the Kerry supporters will justitfy it because they just HAD to get rid of Bush.. So they will not blame themselves for electing him, and they will not blame him because it will be Bush's fault.

And if Bush does win, it will be 4 more years of dems going insane trying to make him look bad. Either way America loses.

Yep, pretty much. I'm not voting for kerry because he can undo everything Bush has does wrong. I'm voting for kerry so that Bush doesn't do worse - or in better words, a place holder until someone capable of bringing real peace comes along. Unlike the "But Clinton..." excuses, it'll be extremely easy to lay blame on Bush and have the facts to back it up. But if you think Kerry is the one to blame for future deaths in Iraq or strained world-relations, you'll be fooling yourself.

 

[LunarRay]

Crimson,
I'd opine that if Kerry wins it is exactly for the reasons you mentioned.
He will have the greatest of all excuses for any failure. He can say 'It' was so messed up it will take well into my second term to undo most of what the former Admin got us into..
President Bush on the other hand has no such luxury. He actually came into office during a down tick on all fronts and all of that has been attached to him. I suppose had he been able to woo the voter with a more charismatic delivery he'd have overcome it... but, that is not his strong suit.

I think if Kerry wins he'll have a four year honeymoon and then the second term... I wouldn't be surprised if the Democrats win back the Senate (I figure they should end up with 47 seats at least) and substantial seats in the House.. not a majority but, maybe a 10 seat gain.. I'm not sure about Fritz Hollings seat.. but, I think that may stay Democratic.. even money... on that seat.. Edit: I don't mean during this election and only if Kerry wins.. but, in the first four years if he does..

 

[maddogchen]

I think Kerry's future would still be dependent on the economy. If we still haven't recovered in the four years under Kerry, we'd probably kick him out. Even if he does try to blame it on Bush.

 

[MovingTarget]

Meh, I think that if Kerry wins then what Crimson describes will only happen for maybe up to the first year. Sure, you'll have the few people screaming "Its all Bush's fault!" just like the ones that do now with Clinton during the duration of Kerry's term; but for the average person, the "benefit of the Bush" for Kerry will wear off quickly. What Kerry screws up on will have more than enough time to sink in by 2008. I'm sure Kerry and the dems will soak up this honeymoon period and use it to drum up support, etc, etc. You can't really tell this early on in the campaign cycle though how things will pan out. Someone should really bump this thread come October though.

 

[MAW1082]

Bush is probably the worst president in modern history, other than Ronald Reagan that is. My criticism will not be the effect of his defeat, it will simply be a continuous phenomenon until that point.

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: MAW1082
Bush is probably the worst president in modern history, other than Ronald Reagan that is. My criticism will not be the effect of his defeat, it will simply be a continuous phenomenon until that point.

Is there a conservative President that isn't the worst in history? Even most conservatives won't say Clinton was the worse President in history because honestly, he didn't get much accomplished..

 

[IndieSnob]

Originally posted by: Crimson
If Kerry wins the election this year.. is there ANYTHING he can do wrong over the next 4 years that WON'T be blamed on Bush?

Anything bad happens in Iraq.. It was Bush's fault for getting us into that mess.

Anything bad happens in the Economy.. It was Bush's irresponsible tax cuts.

Anything bad happens Internationally.. It was Bush's failed foreign policy.

Terrorists strike again.. It was Bush upsetting them by invading Iraq.

Anything bad that happens it will simply be placed on the Bush Administration... and ultimately, the dems will finish it with. 'Well, we had no choice to vote for Kerry, we had to get Bush out of office."

So as I see it, if Bush loses, it doesn't matter WHAT Kerry does.. He can simply blame it on Bush. And the Kerry supporters will justitfy it because they just HAD to get rid of Bush.. So they will not blame themselves for electing him, and they will not blame him because it will be Bush's fault.

And if Bush does win, it will be 4 more years of dems going insane trying to make him look bad. Either way America loses.

So basically it will be like the right did with Clinton.

He allowed 9/11 to happen because he refused to deal with AQ and Laden.
His tech bubble lead to the crappy economy.
etc. etc.

People on the fringes of both parties do it. Get over it.

 

[MAW1082]

Clinton's poilicies are certainly not anything to gloat about. Clinton bombed civilian pharmnaceutical facilits in Sudan. Clinton also supported the NATO campaign in Yugoslavia, which may have been responsible for many more lives than reported in Western media. I'm not defending Clinton here. I,m saying that Bush is by far worse than Clinton.

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: MAW1082
Clinton's poilicies are certainly not anything to gloat about. Clinton bombed civilian pharmnaceutical facilits in Sudan. Clinton also supported the NATO campaign in Yugoslavia, which may have been responsible for many more lives than reported in Western media. I'm not defending Clinton here. I,m saying that Bush is by far worse than Clinton.

Well of course you would, you have an agenda to support.

 

[chrisms]

When you totally devestate a country, you leave it to the next guy to rebuild.

So yes, Kerry will be cut some slack because he will be our only chance to correct what Bush has wronged.

 

[jst0ney]

Kerry will have to undo Bush's missups and anything that dosen't get cleaned up nicely, right wingers will blame Bush's early leave from office. Right always blames left and left always blames right.

 

[zephyrprime]

The past is forgotten very quickly. If Bush loses, I doubt that Kerry will get much slack from the nation on all issues except Iraq.

 

[Moonbeam]

Bush will be remembered for centuries to come as the asshole who took America into an illegal preemptive war if, that is, the fallout from the terrorism that will result doesn't finish us first.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: MAW1082
Clinton's poilicies are certainly not anything to gloat about. Clinton bombed civilian pharmnaceutical facilits in Sudan. Clinton also supported the NATO campaign in Yugoslavia, which may have been responsible for many more lives than reported in Western media. I'm not defending Clinton here. I,m saying that Bush is by far worse than Clinton.

Well of course you would, you have an agenda to support.

And you don't?

 

[chess9]

Crimson:

A much better question IF Kerry wins (big IF) and if the House goes Democratic is what will the Republicans do to bring back the conservatives to their party? The neocons have abandoned the conservatives and the conservatives are not amused.

A Kerry win would be great for us here-speaking from a a dialectic standpoint-because we could have a paroxysm of post-mortems.

Regarding future policies in Iraq, unless Kerry grows testicles Bush's policies will be the foundation for Iraq for the next 2-3 years, probably.

-Robert

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Crimson
If Kerry wins the election this year.. is there ANYTHING he can do wrong over the next 4 years that WON'T be blamed on Bush?

Anything bad happens in Iraq.. It was Bush's fault for getting us into that mess.

Anything bad happens in the Economy.. It was Bush's irresponsible tax cuts.

Anything bad happens Internationally.. It was Bush's failed foreign policy.

Terrorists strike again.. It was Bush upsetting them by invading Iraq.

Anything bad that happens it will simply be placed on the Bush Administration... and ultimately, the dems will finish it with. 'Well, we had no choice to vote for Kerry, we had to get Bush out of office."

So as I see it, if Bush loses, it doesn't matter WHAT Kerry does.. He can simply blame it on Bush. And the Kerry supporters will justitfy it because they just HAD to get rid of Bush.. So they will not blame themselves for electing him, and they will not blame him because it will be Bush's fault.

And if Bush does win, it will be 4 more years of dems going insane trying to make him look bad. Either way America loses.

The Dems/Libs clearly put partisan politics above the welfare of the nation. Not much new to that. It's just a fact that you'll have to get used to.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Crimson
If Kerry wins the election this year.. is there ANYTHING he can do wrong over the next 4 years that WON'T be blamed on Bush?

Anything bad happens in Iraq.. It was Bush's fault for getting us into that mess.

Anything bad happens in the Economy.. It was Bush's irresponsible tax cuts.

Anything bad happens Internationally.. It was Bush's failed foreign policy.

Terrorists strike again.. It was Bush upsetting them by invading Iraq.

Anything bad that happens it will simply be placed on the Bush Administration... and ultimately, the dems will finish it with. 'Well, we had no choice to vote for Kerry, we had to get Bush out of office."

So as I see it, if Bush loses, it doesn't matter WHAT Kerry does.. He can simply blame it on Bush. And the Kerry supporters will justitfy it because they just HAD to get rid of Bush.. So they will not blame themselves for electing him, and they will not blame him because it will be Bush's fault.

And if Bush does win, it will be 4 more years of dems going insane trying to make him look bad. Either way America loses.

The Dems/Libs clearly put partisan politics above the welfare of the nation. Not much new to that. It's just a fact that you'll have to get used to.

:roll: Please, get off your high horse.

 

[Shelly21]

Originally posted by: Crimson
If Kerry wins the election this year.. is there ANYTHING he can do wrong over the next 4 years that WON'T be blamed on Bush?

Anything bad happens in Iraq.. It was Bush's fault for getting us into that mess.

Anything bad happens in the Economy.. It was Bush's irresponsible tax cuts.

Anything bad happens Internationally.. It was Bush's failed foreign policy.

Terrorists strike again.. It was Bush upsetting them by invading Iraq.

Anything bad that happens it will simply be placed on the Bush Administration... and ultimately, the dems will finish it with. 'Well, we had no choice to vote for Kerry, we had to get Bush out of office."

So as I see it, if Bush loses, it doesn't matter WHAT Kerry does.. He can simply blame it on Bush. And the Kerry supporters will justitfy it because they just HAD to get rid of Bush.. So they will not blame themselves for electing him, and they will not blame him because it will be Bush's fault.

And if Bush does win, it will be 4 more years of dems going insane trying to make him look bad. Either way America loses.

You mean like we blame Clinton for everything that's wrong now?

 

[XZeroII]

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Crimson
If Kerry wins the election this year.. is there ANYTHING he can do wrong over the next 4 years that WON'T be blamed on Bush?

Anything bad happens in Iraq.. It was Bush's fault for getting us into that mess.

Anything bad happens in the Economy.. It was Bush's irresponsible tax cuts.

Anything bad happens Internationally.. It was Bush's failed foreign policy.

Terrorists strike again.. It was Bush upsetting them by invading Iraq.

Anything bad that happens it will simply be placed on the Bush Administration... and ultimately, the dems will finish it with. 'Well, we had no choice to vote for Kerry, we had to get Bush out of office."

So as I see it, if Bush loses, it doesn't matter WHAT Kerry does.. He can simply blame it on Bush. And the Kerry supporters will justitfy it because they just HAD to get rid of Bush.. So they will not blame themselves for electing him, and they will not blame him because it will be Bush's fault.

And if Bush does win, it will be 4 more years of dems going insane trying to make him look bad. Either way America loses.

The Dems/Libs clearly put partisan politics above the welfare of the nation. Not much new to that. It's just a fact that you'll have to get used to.

:roll: Please, get off your high horse.

I think it's utterly HILARIOUS that you liberals bash and slander conservatives left and right about anything and everything, yet when someone accuses you people of the same stuff, you immediately resort to quick replies like that. For god's sake, get off YOUR high horse and look at yourself once.

 

[Moonbeam]

The Republicans were never meant to be anything but a drag on the ass of progress and a minority, opposition party. They were never meant and are incapable of leading. Essentially they're nothing but a bunch of retrograde loons who function most effectively as a voice for pique and miff of the mentally disturbed and are best represented on hate radio where they can cluster flisten and help the deer population recover. If given power they cannibalize each other and self destruct taking years of progress and debt recovery with them. Vote Democratic in November. It is absolutely vital for the ailing health of the nation.

 

[sandorski]

Bush will be evoked whether things go Good or Bad.

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The Republicans were never meant to be anything but a drag on the ass of progress and a minority, opposition party. They were never meant and are incapable of leading. Essentially they're nothing but a bunch of retrograde loons who function most effectively as a voice for pique and miff of the mentally disturbed and are best represented on hate radio where they can cluster flisten and help the deer population recover. If given power they cannibalize each other and self destruct taking years of progress and debt recovery with them. Vote Democratic in November. It is absolutely vital for the ailing health of the nation.

wow, your an idiot.

 

[tallest1]

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Crimson
If Kerry wins the election this year.. is there ANYTHING he can do wrong over the next 4 years that WON'T be blamed on Bush?

Anything bad happens in Iraq.. It was Bush's fault for getting us into that mess.

Anything bad happens in the Economy.. It was Bush's irresponsible tax cuts.

Anything bad happens Internationally.. It was Bush's failed foreign policy.

Terrorists strike again.. It was Bush upsetting them by invading Iraq.

Anything bad that happens it will simply be placed on the Bush Administration... and ultimately, the dems will finish it with. 'Well, we had no choice to vote for Kerry, we had to get Bush out of office."

So as I see it, if Bush loses, it doesn't matter WHAT Kerry does.. He can simply blame it on Bush. And the Kerry supporters will justitfy it because they just HAD to get rid of Bush.. So they will not blame themselves for electing him, and they will not blame him because it will be Bush's fault.

And if Bush does win, it will be 4 more years of dems going insane trying to make him look bad. Either way America loses.

The Dems/Libs clearly put partisan politics above the welfare of the nation. Not much new to that. It's just a fact that you'll have to get used to.

:roll: Please, get off your high horse.

I think it's utterly HILARIOUS that you liberals bash and slander conservatives left and right about anything and everything, yet when someone accuses you people of the same stuff, you immediately resort to quick replies like that. For god's sake, get off YOUR high horse and look at yourself once.

Whats so funny about what Orsorum said? Riprorin in that statement above is speaking as if he were some non-partisan god.