If it's a culture issue, why hasn't Bin Laden attacked France?

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Hayabusa Rider

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Excellent analysis of the true motives of Bin Laden and AQ. The irony is that when they say they are pursuing terrorism to get us out of their countries, they are lying. Actually, us leaving is the worst thing that can happen to them because it undermines their entire raison d'etre.

Personally, I think we should have stayed out of Iraq entirely, and with Afghanistan, we should never have made an attempt at nation building, especially not there where the task is nigh impossible. We should have just gone in with overwhelming military force, killed all of Al Quaida, including Bin Laden, which it is now clear we were well capable of doing, killed or captured the upper Taliban leadership, then gotten the hell out and let the Afghani's sort it out. This should have been about killing terrorists, not about nation building, from the start. We'd be so much better off now in SO many ways if we had not over-reacted the way we did.

- wolf

Craig did a pretty good job of summarizing the situation. It was painfully obvious that Bin Laden wanted us to attack the ME, and he had two unexpected successes. First, the WTC wasn't supposed to fall and it did. That left a fearful public.

Second, Bush was a complete idiot by virtually abandoning Afghanistan and going after Iraq. He could do so by associating 9/11 and Saddam. No, he never said that Saddam was responsible, but it seemed that hardly a comment about Saddam could be made without the WTC being mentioned.

Politicians played the public as they do and we wound up with two wars.

It was ridiculous on the face of it, but you should have been here when war was spoken against, not that I really cared.

It was a strange time in history.
 

Phokus

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Actually the real question is why Bin Laden hasn't attacked the netherlands, the freest country in the world?

They have legalized MJ and prostitution for god's sakes. You'd think most fundamentalist conservative muslims would find that country to be the most offensive.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Actually the real question is why Bin Laden hasn't attacked the netherlands, the freest country in the world?

They have legalized MJ and prostitution for god's sakes. You'd think most fundamentalist conservative muslims would find that country to be the most offensive.


Because it's about power and control. What stature would it give him to bomb the Dutch?

By attacking the US (which has a long history of interference in the region) he made himself the hero.
 

Noobtastic

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LOL WHAT?

That is a completely new one. I've never seen anyone here making excuses for that failure of a man.

If you're trying to troll both sides of the coin, you're not doing a very good job. Let's talk. We can work together...

Craig victimizing the communist assholes in Serbia.

Why? Because they're the left.

Duh.

Chomsky victimized the soviets, leftist radicals in India, etc.

Why? All opponents of "american imperialism." The left saw Serbia as a victim of NATO imperialism, and that America simply exploited the muslims to justify an invasion on their behalf, as craig clearly infers.

comprehension much?
 
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Occupiers don't leave until they are forced out by a mightier or craftier occupier. We are no more occupiers in the ME than we were in Germany and Japan.

OBL is about himself, nothing more. He's a psychopathic-mass-murdering version of Benny Hinn or Jimmy Swaggart.