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brianmanahan

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I don't know where you are located, but I've worked with a lot of companies with development teams, and very few of the employees made over 80k, even seniors.

its the cleveland area, but columbus/toledo/cincy are all very similar as well

being within an hour of a big city does tend to help. i would like to live further out in the country, but there are almost no IT jobs out there

if i ever found something where i could telecommute full time, oh man
 

Red Storm

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IT is great.


I like it.

This.

IT is such a vague term though. I like security, so that's the area of IT that I work in. Job doesn't pay the best, but I get 4 weeks of paid vacation every year (starting, it goes up from there), I get to be home by 4pm everyday and my commute is opposite of rush hour traffic. That's worth A LOT more to me than a slightly higher salary, hell even a moderately higher salary.
 

IndyColtsFan

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This.

IT is such a vague term though. I like security, so that's the area of IT that I work in. Job doesn't pay the best, but I get 4 weeks of paid vacation every year (starting, it goes up from there), I get to be home by 4pm everyday and my commute is opposite of rush hour traffic. That's worth A LOT more to me than a slightly higher salary, hell even a moderately higher salary.

Sounds like a great gig with very good work/life balance! :thumbsup:
 

IndyColtsFan

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I don't know where you are located, but I've worked with a lot of companies with development teams, and very few of the employees made over 80k, even seniors. Like I mentioned earlier, opening salaries for devs in my area is about 40k (from what I've seen). In 1999 I only made 36k out of college, but I was only doing simple rewrite tasks (y2k projects). I left the field after 2 years and got a job at a financial firm doing basic network and system technician work for 38k. So in my experience Dev jobs haven't been the high salaries I would have expected, but as I saw earlier in the thread people are making 80k doing what I do now for much less, so maybe my area just has lower salaries or high competition.

The only way you really make money in IT is if you jump around and get large raises each time. I have no doubt that senior developers who have worked at a place for 10+ years (where they started out of college) are making in the 80K range because companies don't give adequate raises in general. A jump or two would push that over $100K.

I'd caution against jumping JUST for money, however. You have to consider the entire comp package, work/life balance, and not only that, how much you like your current company and what its future looks like opposed to other places you might apply. For example, if a firm in electronics retail (say Best Buy or hhgregg) came to me and offered me $170K to come join them, I'd have to really think hard about it and if I took it, be prepared to exit quickly since that's a tough industry and they may not last forever.

A former boss and I used to talk about my future plans on occasion. As he used to say to me, don't feel that you need to make big bucks or move up the ladder - if you love what you do and are happy, there really isn't anything wrong with staying in that position.
 

rh71

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Sounds like a great gig with very good work/life balance! :thumbsup:

I had a thread here a while back. All I get is work/life balance being at home every day, all the freedom in the world - the pay isn't the greatest even after 14 years. I think grass is always greener. I'd love to make close to 6 figures and do a little commuting and maybe even tolerate an on-call weekend a month if that's what it took. I just feel like if I switched to ANY job they'd pay me closer to what I was worth, but they had me since I got out of school and raises are few and far between despite a promotion. Found a comfy job too soon.

EDIT> yup like you said, gotta jump around to get anywhere.
 
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brianmanahan

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A former boss and I used to talk about my future plans on occasion. As he used to say to me, don't feel that you need to make big bucks or move up the ladder - if you love what you do and are happy, there really isn't anything wrong with staying in that position.

sounds like a good boss.

at my previous 2 companies, they always pushed you to move up, even if you were perfectly happy in the position you were in. i specifically asked twice to remain an individual contributor, but due to people leaving was forced into a half developer/half manager role (which i hated).

the first company i was at actually said that if you haven't found a way to move up to the next position in 3 or 4 years, we will probably fire you, because we want people who are motivated....
 

AznAnarchy99

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the first company i was at actually said that if you haven't found a way to move up to the next position in 3 or 4 years, we will probably fire you, because we want people who are motivated....

Some people are made to be managers and some people are made to be workers. Can't force them. Plus a company needs both types to run.
 

GregGreen

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its the cleveland area, but columbus/toledo/cincy are all very similar as well

being within an hour of a big city does tend to help. i would like to live further out in the country, but there are almost no IT jobs out there

if i ever found something where i could telecommute full time, oh man

I can confirm the salaries are probably even a little better in Columbus (was living there until a few months ago). Also know a few people in Buffalo who seem to make similar numbers.