If Iran attacked Israel *maybe even if only by proxy*? would you want the US and NATO to strike their military targets

[dahunan]

If Iran attacked Israel *maybe even if only by proxy*? would you want the US and NATO to strike their military targets

 

[Termagant]

Originally posted by: dahunan
If Iran attacked Israel *maybe even if only by proxy*? would you want the US and NATO to strike their military targets

What kind of question is this. This is already happening, has happened for years. Iranian Revolutionary Guards have been in Lebanon as advisors, trainers, for years. Hezbollah is funded by Iran. Iran provides the longer range rockets which are striking farther into Israel. Iran provided the C-802 anti-ship missiles and quite likely advised or even conducted the attack on the IDF ship struck a few weeks ago.

 

[dahunan]

Then what is the UN going to do about it.

This is sad.. I am really starting to hate the United Nations.. they are a bunch of cowards

 

[Termagant]

I don't expect the UN to do anything and it doesn't sadden me.

It is a debate forum, and getting unified action is extremely difficult precisely because it is so inclusive.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Termagant
I don't expect the UN to do anything and it doesn't sadden me.

It is a debate forum, and getting unified action is extremely difficult precisely because it is so inclusive.

Why should Terrorist organizations be allowed to attack Israel and then then UN also allows Iran to fund, arm, and train said Terrorist organizations to help them attack and kill jews?

 

[amish]

i said no. three wars for the US in 5 years? it seems that we are already stretched pretty thin. all it would do is open another front, cause more secretarian turmoil in iraq, and possibly wake sleeper cells in the US. sorry, i just don't think we are up to the challenge at this point.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Iran/Syria have already determined that they severly underestimated the Israeli response in Gaza and Lebanon.

Syria is not going to stick it's neck out to appease Iran and Iran currently does not have the capability to conduct open/sustained warfare against Israel except via proxy.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Termagant
I don't expect the UN to do anything and it doesn't sadden me.

It is a debate forum, and getting unified action is extremely difficult precisely because it is so inclusive.

Why should Terrorist organizations be allowed to attack Israel and then then UN also allows Iran to fund, arm, and train said Terrorist organizations to help them attack and kill jews?

You're right, but in a different way. The US, UN, and Europe created Israel and have supported her ever since because of the Holocaust. Now they must lie in the bed they made, even if that means all four being destroyed in the process. Israel is an unnatural state and it has to fight to survive or get accepted.

 

[daniel49]

I would rename Persian rugs to Freedom rugs

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: dahunan
If Iran attacked Israel *maybe even if only by proxy*? would you want the US and NATO to strike their military targets

First there would have to be irrefutable evidence that is backed by the entire UN before I'd support any military action and even then depending on the severity of a proxy attack, I think a more sensible action would be to further isolate the Iranian leadership via sanctions. However, on the same note Israel's UN violations and/or human rights violations should also come under review and proper action taken if we want to be fair.

 

[Harabec]

As an Israeli (if that matters) I hope not, mostly because the US already has two other headaches to worry about and a third campaign would really weaken the US army, IMO.
Iran, for now, cannot send their army over here and their best bet is a Hizballah-like organization.

Iran's nuclear future is a different matter. The UN keeps telling them "you have 2 months to comply. Oh, time's out...here, another month".

 

[2Xtreme21]

Any military action Iran is going to do is going to be unconventional. The days of army vs. army battles are over.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Then what is the UN going to do about it.

This is sad.. I am really starting to hate the United Nations.. they are a bunch of cowards

The U.N. does do alot of good, and tries to do alot more. But then some countrys vetoes it and it's all over

1979 Calls for an end to all military and nuclear collaboration with the apartheid South Africa.
1980 Declaration of non-use of nuclear weapons against non-nuclear states.
1980 Emphasises that the development of nations and individuals is a human right.
1980 Calls for the cessation of all nuclear test explosions.
1981 Urges negotiations on prohibition of chemical and biological weapons
1982 Prohibition of chemical and bacteriological weapons.
1987 Opposition to the development of new weapons of mass destruction.
2002 To renew the peace keeping mission in Bosnia.

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[senseamp]

Is Israel part of the US? No
Is Israel part of NATO? No
So why should either fight wars for Israel?

 

[Todd33]

"maybe even if only by proxy" is a loaded way ask the question. We have attacked half the countries on Earth by proxy, does that mean they can attack us now?

 

[fallenangel99]

U.S./Israel knows that if they attack Iran, even I guess there is "proof" that Iran supports Hezbollah, it will get UGLY in the middle east. Iran will go ballistics and shoot tons of missiles at Israel. It can only get uglier from then on.

Oh yeah and oil. Any disruption to the oil supply is not good for the US ECONOMY and with election season coming up, thats teh last the the politicians want to talk about.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: dahunan
If Iran attacked Israel *maybe even if only by proxy*? would you want the US and NATO to strike their military targets

A nuclear weapon will be detonated in a major US city before Americans are capable of believing that anything is worth fighting for. North Korea made the weapons on our appeasement strategy; Iran is very likely to do the same.

 

[feelingshorter]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Termagant
I don't expect the UN to do anything and it doesn't sadden me.

It is a debate forum, and getting unified action is extremely difficult precisely because it is so inclusive.

Why should Terrorist organizations be allowed to attack Israel and then then UN also allows Iran to fund, arm, and train said Terrorist organizations to help them attack and kill jews?

Why did the Jews attack the USS Liberty and kill Americans?

 

[IrateLeaf]

Originally posted by: feelingshorter

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Termagant
I don't expect the UN to do anything and it doesn't sadden me.

It is a debate forum, and getting unified action is extremely difficult precisely because it is so inclusive.

Why should Terrorist organizations be allowed to attack Israel and then then UN also allows Iran to fund, arm, and train said Terrorist organizations to help them attack and kill jews?

Why did the Jews attack the USS Liberty and kill Americans?

Why are you asking a question that has nothing to do with the thread?

I will answer that question though.
It was an accident plain and simple, regardless of what those who are anti - israel say.

 

[Aimster]

We are not Israel's bitch.

They have a very strong force to protect them.

Why the hell must the U.S sacrifice lives for another country when that country has one of the largest military capabilities in the region?

I vote HELL NO.

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Then what is the UN going to do about it.

This is sad.. I am really starting to hate the United Nations.. they are a bunch of cowards

Its too inclusive, which means its impossible to agree on anything, and only when the member states are willing to back up its resolutions (meaning the US and whoever else wants to kick in .001%) are they worth anything. And the other side of the coin is even worse:

- Saddam's Iraq was scheduled to chair the UN Disarmament Commission starting in March 2003, after 12 years of dodging, deceiving, and even ejecting, UN weapons inspectors! The only reason they didn't was because we invaded Iraq that very month. Then Iran was elected to vice the same fvcking commission while they were actively pursuing nuclear technology in defiance of the very same body!!!

- Qaddafi's Libya was elected to chair the UN Human Rights Commission, after decades of doing just about every single thing the commission is supposed to report on and stop! South Africa, another long-standing HR villain, did everything it could to get Libya elected; The US voted against, but France, Germany, and Britain abstained!

- In 2001, when Libya, Sudan, Syria, and other infamous human rights violators were voted onto the commission, the US was actually voted out!

There are more and worse examples, but you get the picture. The original idea was a noble one, and its done some good here and there, but at the moment, its hopelessly broken. Maybe if only democracies were allowed in, it would actually be worth something, but as it stands now, the very sort of regimes it was formed to contain have managed to use its admirable principles to hijack it! When the truth is, they don't give a sh*t about the ideals its supposed to represent.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I don't care about NATO but the US needs to stop screwing around in the Middle East and elsewhere. If we are attacked, nuke them. However, Israel should be able to take care of themselves.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Aimster
We are not Israel's bitch.

They have a very strong force to protect them.

Why the hell must the U.S sacrifice lives for another country when that country has one of the largest military capabilities in the region?

I vote HELL NO.

Since when is terrorism and Middle East zealots only Israel's problem?

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Aimster
We are not Israel's bitch.

They have a very strong force to protect them.

Why the hell must the U.S sacrifice lives for another country when that country has one of the largest military capabilities in the region?

I vote HELL NO.

Since when is terrorism and Middle East zealots only Israel's problem?

This thread is talking about U.S attacking another country for attacking Irsael..

 

[Kyanzes]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Then what is the UN going to do about it.

This is sad.. I am really starting to hate the United Nations.. they are a bunch of cowards

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahha...

That was a nice one. I love that. Hahhaha. But such an order that would resolve this problem would require an *UNDIVIDED* resolution which is... hahahaha... cannot be achieved when the US itself has veto right... hahaha... I love that one, I really do. haha