speg
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the most reasonable places would otherwise be Australia or New Zealand, but they won't let you emigrate there.
About the only way round the obstacles is to marry a local.
everman's suggestion about Alaska could make for a challenging 1-year experience, doubt you'd last 2.
About the only way round the obstacles is to marry a local.
everman's suggestion about Alaska could make for a challenging 1-year experience, doubt you'd last 2.
Why do you care about welfare programs, as long as you don't have to pay taxes?
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Mind you, not everyone has the same rights, but if you have money (which everyone in this country does, by that standard), the third world is GREAT.
You think 1905 represents what is the absolute worst in human beings?:Q :laugh:
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Mind you, not everyone has the same rights, but if you have money (which everyone in this country does, by that standard), the third world is GREAT.
You think 1905 represents what is the absolute worst in human beings?:Q :laugh:
What the hell? That is exactly what the OP is suggesting. That if he wanted to leave, where would he go...
He wouldn't be asking about alternatives to America if he wasn't dissatisfied with it.
And good job for turning into a Republican/Democrat thing. :roll:
It has nothing to do political parties though. If someone honestly doesn't like the US, then maybe they should consider finding another country that would suit them better. I don't see whats wrong with that.
Based on the things he specifically is talking about, yes. It was a period of grotesque exploitation, rampant bigotry, sexism, elitism, etc. Yet he calls it the ideal time. If your ideal is those things, then it's the worst in human beings.
Having read a history book, I respectfully disagree with your assessment. I can think of many, many other periods of time that were far worse.
That is quite possibly the most ridiculous criteria I have ever seen. If your going to go to a country that has low taxes and no welfare programs then it's gonna have a wide class gap, and it wouldn't be a very friendly place to live. Go to China, it's as close to an ultra-capitalist mecca as any (way more so then America) and they dont listen to what any of those damn activist judges say! They shoot them! Yay!
It's personal opinion of course. Being in school to become a history teacher I too have read a history book. In fact, I've read more than one. The real issue is that our criteria is likely different.
If your primary concern was black rights, you could consider the pre-civil war period as the worst. Then again, you could make an argument for early to mid twentieth century when there was supposed to be rights for blacks, but in fact there wasn't.
If your primary concern was religious intrusion into politics you could very easily focus on the early colonial, and second great awakening - but you could also argue a case for present day.
Personally I'm looking back at business exploitation of workers, class stratification, general human rights, broad bigotry, etc. 1880-1920 stands out in those areas to me. Mind you, I'm also keeping the focus on American history. Obviously I could look to other areas to see far worse examples based on pretty much any criteria (holocaust, inquisition, stalin, various genocides, etc).
It's true, I have a pet peeve about that period. I have issues with other periods too (especially red scare & McCartheism), but this one really gets my goat.
They aren't that high in Switzerland but Social Welfare of course exists.
Why not? It's very good connected to Swiss infrastructure and once you get citizenship you don't even have compulsory military service.
Guernsey or Jersey.
Lots of "off shore" companies which ship to the UK because they have no VAT, also a nice tax haven, plus it has the same rights as the UK, same money etc, but mostly without the tax.
Not sure about the welfare situation, but they are both small islands whith lots of rich people who go there for tax breaks, so I expect that there won't be much of an issue.
Yeah, no kidding. Sweden is out of the question. It has/is:
-A screwed up tax system
-Entitlement/welfare programs
-Not very business friendly (Though that seems to be slowly improving)
somewhere in Africa,
1. depending your firepower you are the one collecting the "taxes"
2. No entitlement programs, unless you count the UN but then see 1.
3. strong rights - well provided 1., you make the rights
4. Business friendly - again see 1.
5. Beaches - maybe - if not you always have option 1. and get'em
1. depending your firepower you are the one collecting the "taxes"
2. No entitlement programs, unless you count the UN but then see 1.
3. strong rights - well provided 1., you make the rights
4. Business friendly - again see 1.
5. Beaches - maybe - if not you always have option 1. and get'em
It says a lot when many more Americans than ever before in it's history are asking this very question.
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