If I want to brute force an iOS password...

[Ichinisan]

...then I should just make it illegal for someone to sell a secure device with the feature to wipe sensitive data when the wrong password is attempted too many times. That's what the government is trying to do.

Selling a secure device is illegal now. Happy?

How secure is your liberty now?

 

[deathBOB]

...then I should just make it illegal for someone to sell a secure device with the feature to wipe sensitive data when the wrong password is attempted too many times. That's what the government is trying to do.

Selling a secure device is illegal now. Happy?

How secure is your liberty now?

Wrong wrong wrong. The issue is over how much Apple is required to do when faced with a warrant. There is nothing illegal about selling a secure device, there just happen to be steps Apple can take to help the FBI to brute force this generation of iPhone.

 

[Rakehellion]

Here you go: Politics and News

 

[Rakehellion]

Wrong wrong wrong. The issue is over how much Apple is required to do when faced with a warrant. There is nothing illegal about selling a secure device, there just happen to be steps Apple can take to help the FBI to brute force this generation of iPhone.

Basically this. It's pretty much unprecedented and the FBI's going to lose.

Also, one of the guys working the case said there's probably nothing useful on the phone anyway so it's just an obvious political circlejerk wherein the government wants you to have zero privacy.

 

[jpiniero]

Basically this. It's pretty much unprecedented and the FBI's going to lose.

Considering both parties seem to be on the G-Men's side it seems pretty likely that the FBI will get what they want one way or another. Besides I can't imagine Apple would be allowed to sell in China without some loophole/backdoor.

 

[Ichinisan]

Wrong wrong wrong. The issue is over how much Apple is required to do when faced with a warrant. There is nothing illegal about selling a secure device, there just happen to be steps Apple can take to help the FBI to brute force this generation of iPhone.

If you're forced to defeat your own protection features, then it's no longer secure. You are not legally allowed to sell a secure device.

 

[Rakehellion]

If you're forced to defeat your own protection features, then it's no longer secure.

As of today Apple hasn't been forced to do anything.

 

[Ichinisan]

As of today Apple hasn't been forced to do anything.

*Only* because Apple is fighting it. Let's hope they don't lose and precedent is set.

Public opinion is against Apple in this case because people are fools. Everyone in the last Republican debate is on the wrong side of this issue so they can pander to public opinion. I'm seriously concerned about how this turns out because it's not looking good for liberty/privacy.

 

[Rakehellion]

*Only* because Apple is fighting it. Let's hope they don't lose and precedent is set.

Public opinion is against Apple in this case because people are fools. Everyone in the last Republican debate is on the wrong side of this issue so they can pander to public opinion. I'm seriously concerned about how this turns out because it's not looking good for liberty/privacy.

And what about the millions of people who can't fight their legal predicaments? What do they do?

 

[Ichinisan]

And what about the millions of people who can't fight their legal predicaments? What do they do?

Sway public opinion by informing them of the facts in this case and let politicians know how we feel. I cannot support any of the existing candidates for various reasons. They need to know people like me feel this way about this issue and many other issues of liberty / government intrusion.

 

[Ichinisan]

Basically this. It's pretty much unprecedented and the FBI's going to lose.

LOTS of things were without precedent until the precedent was set. The concern in this case is that a very bad precedent could be set and it would influence the future of privacy and government intrusion.

The government is fighting Apple and spending tax dollars because they think they can win. Other politicians and the majority of the ignorant public take the same position on this issue. It's definitely a possibility.

 

[Rakehellion]

LOTS of things were without precedent until the precedent was set.

Until then I don't see the point in getting your panties in a bunch over every single court case out there. It's bad for the blood pressure.

 

[Ichinisan]

Until then I don't see the point in getting your panties in a bunch over every single court case out there. It's bad for the blood pressure.

"Until it's too late, I wouldn't worry about it."

 

[Rakehellion]

"Until it's too late, I wouldn't worry about it."

Yeah, as if you have the slightest change of changing the outcome.

There will always be something in life worth fighting for, but if you only judge the world by its worst qualities, you're going to find yourself a miserable person.

 

[Ichinisan]

Yeah, as if you have the slightest change of changing the outcome.

There will always be something in life worth fighting for, but if you only judge the world by its worst qualities, you're going to find yourself a miserable person.

You seem to be contradicting yourself. :hmm:

 

[Rakehellion]

You seem to be contradicting yourself. :hmm:

1. Complaining on the internet isn't fighting.
2. This battle isn't yours to fight.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Not to worry I'm sure they'll just make any encryption illegal without an easy backdoor that the government has the key to. They can probably just slide that into the TPP when it's finalized.

 

[Ichinisan]

1. Complaining on the internet isn't fighting.
2. This battle isn't yours to fight.

OK. The only valid way to spread an opinion in the year 2016 is on a street corner. Got it!

 

[Rakehellion]

OK. The only valid way to spread an opinion in the year 2016 is on a street corner. Got it!

"The government is spying on us!" is pretty much what a homeless guy would yell on a street corner.

Law enforcement attempts a whole lot of stuff to take away your freedom. Thousands and thousands of cases like this go through the system and no one knows about it because a multibillion-dollar company doesn't post it on their website.

On the other hand, Hillary Clinton pretty much gets all of her ideas from Twitter so I guess there is a ray of hope in internet debating. :\

 

[Ichinisan]

"The government is spying on us!" is pretty much what a homeless guy would yell on a street corner.

Law enforcement attempts a whole lot of stuff to take away your freedom. Thousands and thousands of cases like this go through the system and no one knows about it because a multibillion-dollar company doesn't post it on their website.

On the other hand, Hillary Clinton pretty much gets all of her ideas from Twitter so I guess there is a ray of hope in internet debating. :\

This case had the support of public opinion and every presidential candidate wants to force Apple to comply. There's legit concern about this case. Why do you think people are talking about it? Why is the government spending money and effort to fight Apple? It's because they think they can win. It's certainly a possibility and one that we should be concerned about.

 

[JEDIYoda]

there just happen to be steps Apple can take to help the FBI to brute force this generation of iPhone.

nope