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If guaranine is chemically identical to caffeine, why isn't it just called caffeine?

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The taste of Guarana is distinctive and unique, and the main reason for its success in Brazil as a soft drink. The main ingredient of guarana is guaranine, which is chemically identical to caffeine. This is the reason for the energy boost people get after taking guarana.
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I recently tried Bawls and I liked it so I looked up what guarana is. The above is a little excerpt from a site about guarana that caught my attention. It's like they are making up a new name for something just because it came from a different source?

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Originally posted by: StormRider
The taste of Guarana is distinctive and unique, and the main reason for its success in Brazil as a soft drink. The main ingredient of guarana is guaranine, which is chemically identical to caffeine. This is the reason for the energy boost people get after taking guarana.
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I recently tried Bawls and I liked it so I looked up what guarana is. The above is a little excerpt from a site about guarana that caught my attention. It's like they are making up a new name for something just because it came from a different source?
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Caffeine, also known as trimethylxanthine, coffeine, theine, mateine, guaranine, methyltheobromine and 1,3,7-trimethylxanthine, is a xanthine alkaloid found naturally in such foods as coffee beans, tea, kola nuts, Yerba mate, guarana berries, and (in small amounts) cacao beans. For the plant, caffeine acts as a natural pesticide since it paralyzes and kills insects that attempt to feed on the plant.

It's all marketing. They chose to use one word....and the softdrink/coffee/whatever market chose to use Caffeine. Does it matter? Nope.
 
If I drink more than 2 cups of coffee, I get very jittery/anxious. Not a good feeling.

But, if I drink a lot of something with guarana in it, I do feel more alert and energetic, but do NOT get the same negative side effect as coffee. I wish more sodas used guarana.

FYI - Chocolate's "caffeine" is theobromine (btw, poisonous to dogs) but definitely doesn't have the side effects that coffee's caffeine has.

I have tried Yohimbine before, which is an herbal extract that is supposed to be a "natural viagara" - it increases circulation and sensitivity. That also has a caffeine in it. Tried it a few times but won't do it again. Just a small dose and my heart really gets pounding, my breath feels shallow, and the extra sensitivity actually numbs the pleasure senses.

Some day I need to invent a Drink that mixes the 5+ different caffeines in small doses. The ultimate energy drink. :Q
 
I drink coffee by the pot. I get major headaches without it. If I swtich to something more expensive than a good ole cheap cup of coffee, I'll go broke supporting my habit.

When is Red Bull gonna make a 2-liter!?!?!
 
Originally posted by: kevinthenerd
I drink coffee by the pot. I get major headaches without it. If I swtich to something more expensive than a good ole cheap cup of coffee, I'll go broke supporting my habit.

When is Red Bull gonna make a 2-liter!?!?!
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Get off of caffeine for 2-3 weeks and you'll be fine after that. The first weeks are just your body going through withdrawal. That stuff will seriously mess your system up long term otherwise.
 
Originally posted by: DaShen
Originally posted by: kevinthenerd
I drink coffee by the pot. I get major headaches without it. If I swtich to something more expensive than a good ole cheap cup of coffee, I'll go broke supporting my habit.

When is Red Bull gonna make a 2-liter!?!?!
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Get off of caffeine for 2-3 weeks and you'll be fine after that. The first weeks are just your body going through withdrawal. That stuff will seriously mess your system up long term otherwise.
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He can cut back over the 3 weeks. Get the same brand coffee but in decaf. First week, mix the normal coffee with half decaf coffee. Then cut it down to a quarter normal coffee. Then the last week just drink the decaf. Then if you want to stop drinking it at all, then cut back your decaf until you're only drinking half a cup a day.
 
It's all the same stuff and does one thing only. Blocks andes*something* (can't remember the spelling) receptors in the body. The chemical those receptors cling to are naturally made depressants your body makes. When caffeine bonds there, the depressant doesn't. So your body gets more "awake" for a limited time frame since cafeeine only lasts about half an hour before your body metablizes it.

The differences Sagalore experiences with different caffeines is mostly placebo effect but there is a chance that different receptors in the body are being blocked in different amounts and at different times. Which would cause certain parts of the body to "speed" up more then others.

So, it's all marketing. Using big exotic buzz words that roll off the tonuge and have pizazz. That's what selling crap is all about.
 
Originally posted by: kevinthenerd
I drink coffee by the pot. I get major headaches without it. If I swtich to something more expensive than a good ole cheap cup of coffee, I'll go broke supporting my habit.

When is Red Bull gonna make a 2-liter!?!?!
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wow dude. you're body is so dependant on caffeine, that it's gonna be hell if/when you decide to quit drink it.

when i went on atkins last year, i stopped drinking coffee completely, and i had the worst head and body aches that took a week for me to get used to.
 
Originally posted by: HumblePie
The differences Sagalore experiences with different caffeines is mostly placebo effect but there is a chance that different receptors in the body are being blocked in different amounts and at different times.
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Most definitely. They may all be caffeines, but any different molecular composition has to account for some subtle differences. Just like different kinds of sugars.
 
Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: HumblePie
The differences Sagalore experiences with different caffeines is mostly placebo effect but there is a chance that different receptors in the body are being blocked in different amounts and at different times.
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Most definitely. They may all be caffeines, but any different molecular composition has to account for some subtle differences. Just like different kinds of sugars.
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I was just thinking the same thing. They write fancy words on packaging to hide the fact that it's just a variant of sugar:

dextrose, fructose, maltose, sucrose, glucose, lactose, mannitol, sorbitol, brown sugar, honey, invert sugar, molassas, xylitol, maltodextrin, galactose, brown rice syrup,

My favorite is "High Fructose Corn Syrup." People see that and they think they're getting some kind of vegetable benefit or something.

Works cited:
http://www.umass.edu/nibble/infofile/cutsugar.html
http://www.diabetes123.com/d_08_450.htm
http://www.trainright.com/essentials/nutrition/aug/sportsNutrition.asp
 
If it's anything like sucrose and sucralose, it's chemically the same, but structurally different, so the body processes it differently.
 
Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: DaShen
Originally posted by: kevinthenerd
I drink coffee by the pot. I get major headaches without it. If I swtich to something more expensive than a good ole cheap cup of coffee, I'll go broke supporting my habit.

When is Red Bull gonna make a 2-liter!?!?!
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Get off of caffeine for 2-3 weeks and you'll be fine after that. The first weeks are just your body going through withdrawal. That stuff will seriously mess your system up long term otherwise.
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He can cut back over the 3 weeks. Get the same brand coffee but in decaf. First week, mix the normal coffee with half decaf coffee. Then cut it down to a quarter normal coffee. Then the last week just drink the decaf. Then if you want to stop drinking it at all, then cut back your decaf until you're only drinking half a cup a day.
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good idea. why bother with headaches? just cut back by slowly introducing decaf into your daily routine.
 
Originally posted by: Merlyn3D
If it's anything like sucrose and sucralose, it's chemically the same, but structurally different, so the body processes it differently.
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The difference is only as significant as the difference between various octanes of gasoline in your car. Sure, gases resist knock differently, but it's still a very flammable liquid. Sure, sugars are different, but they all have a very high glycemic index.
 
There was a National Geographic on caffeine a few months back.

It said that coffee withdrawl headaches are the result of more blood being supplied to the brain. Wild huh? Coffee is supposed to make you more alert, but has a side effect of limiting the blood supply to your brain.
 
Yep, caffeine constricts blood vessels. That one has always been known. Just like cigs. If you drink caffeine and smoke alot you don't tend to gain weight either. Trying to remember the exact reasons but it's something to do with increased heartrate from it all. When your blood vessels constrict, blood has to move faster to keep up with the demand which means your heart pumps more. Something to that effect.
 
Originally posted by: kevinthenerd
Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: HumblePie
The differences Sagalore experiences with different caffeines is mostly placebo effect but there is a chance that different receptors in the body are being blocked in different amounts and at different times.
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Most definitely. They may all be caffeines, but any different molecular composition has to account for some subtle differences. Just like different kinds of sugars.
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I was just thinking the same thing. They write fancy words on packaging to hide the fact that it's just a variant of sugar:

dextrose, fructose, maltose, sucrose, glucose, lactose, mannitol, sorbitol, brown sugar, honey, invert sugar, molassas, xylitol, maltodextrin, galactose, brown rice syrup,

My favorite is "High Fructose Corn Syrup." People see that and they think they're getting some kind of vegetable benefit or something.

Works cited:
http://www.umass.edu/nibble/infofile/cutsugar.html
http://www.diabetes123.com/d_08_450.htm
http://www.trainright.com/essentials/nutrition/aug/sportsNutrition.asp
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Many of those are distinctly different things. Finding that sinister is like finding it sinister that manufacturers actually tell you what kind of metal something is made out of (iron, steel, stainless steel, copper, brass, nickel, aluminum, silver, etc.) rather than just say "metal". It's not their fault that most people are too stupid to keep themselves informed about different ingredients, when they were supposed to learn about many types of sugars in highschool biology. And all that aside, most food product manufacturers simply put the word "sugar" in the ingredients list.
 
Originally posted by: kevinthenerd
Originally posted by: Merlyn3D
If it's anything like sucrose and sucralose, it's chemically the same, but structurally different, so the body processes it differently.
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The difference is only as significant as the difference between various octanes of gasoline in your car. Sure, gases resist knock differently, but it's still a very flammable liquid. Sure, sugars are different, but they all have a very high glycemic index.
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Well in the case of sucrose and sucralose, the body sees one as sugar, and therefore uses it as energy, but because of the structure difference, doesnt' see the other one as something it can use. However it tastes almost the same to your taste buds, which is why sucralose (used in splenda) use is taking off these days.
 
Originally posted by: kogase
And all that aside, most food product manufacturers simply put the word "sugar" in the ingredients list.
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I think in almost all cases though, if they use the word "sugar", then they are refering to typical bleached table sugar.
 
Originally posted by: Merlyn3D
However it tastes almost the same to your taste buds, which is why sucralose (used in splenda) use is taking off these days.
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Yep, just like how Aspartame tastes like Ass.
 
Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: Merlyn3D
However it tastes almost the same to your taste buds, which is why sucralose (used in splenda) use is taking off these days.
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Yep, just like how Aspartame tastes like Ass.
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Yeah I am hypersensitive to aspartame, I can always spot it anywhere, just tastes rancid to me. But I love sorbitol,which is why I love some of the no-sugar gums.
 
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