If Gore jumps in now. Does he have a shot?

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Al Gore is being pressured to run in 04.

Since the existing Dems that are running seem to pretty week. Do you think Al still has a shot in 04 if he comes back?

Not looking for Flaming post (yeah right :) ) just want to know if you think he should jump back into the game. ALot has happend since December when he said he wouldn't run.....
 

Hayabusa Rider

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I do not think Gore is completely trustworthy, however if he did win the nomination, I wouldn't have the concern that he started a war. Besides, IMO, Bush has done tremendous damage to this country and will have no restrictions once the concern about re-election has past. No, Bush needs to go.
 

LakAttack

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Fvck Gore. If he couldn't beat Bush when Bush was a bumbling Texas idiot, he sure as hell isn't going to beat him now that Bush is the entrenched commander in chief and leading multiple protracted military engagements.

Gore is an @sshat, and if he had half of a brain, he would have slam-dunked the '00 election. But his strategy was crap, and he lost, and now the democratic party is in total disarray, and led largely by wimps and pvssies.

The Dems need to put up someone STRONG, someone who STANDS for SOMETHING, someone willing to FIGHT. Right now, I think Dean is the best option to fit this bill.
 

Lonyo

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Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
I do not think Gore is completely trustworthy, however if he did win the nomination, I wouldn't have the concern that he started a war. Besides, IMO, Bush has done tremendous damage to this country and will have no restrictions once the concern about re-election has past. No, Bush needs to go.

Gore's a politician, how could you ever think he would be totally trustworthy?
Is Bush trustworthy? Clinton? Blair? Any other politician?!?!?!
 

Ferocious

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Gore is finished.

Hillary would have a better chance than him.

(Meaning slim > zilch)
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Originally posted by: Lonyo
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
I do not think Gore is completely trustworthy, however if he did win the nomination, I wouldn't have the concern that he started a war. Besides, IMO, Bush has done tremendous damage to this country and will have no restrictions once the concern about re-election has past. No, Bush needs to go.

Gore's a politician, how could you ever think he would be totally trustworthy?
Is Bush trustworthy? Clinton? Blair? Any other politician?!?!?!

Fair question. Personally, I think by the time a candidate reaches the point where they can be nominated with a reasonable chance of success they have already sold whatever soul they may have had countless times. There may be exceptions, but the rule applies so much so, that no one could figure out the difference.

Perhaps harmless would have been a better choice, and then not completely. Trust is an interesting word. I may trust a close friend. In this sense, I mean reliable in a beneficial way. I also trust that a rattlesnake if sufficiently provoked will strike. They do not convey the same meaning.

Gore does not seem to be the kind of man who shoots at shadows, as the current one has shown a propensity to do. I'll go with least evil.
 

Nitemare

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Nope, he screwed himself by dragging out Floriduh 2000. Had he accepted Bill's advice for his help he would have probably won in 2000, except the stupid moron said he would do it on his own...which has become his motto. He refused to delegate any authority and will not have more intelligent people around him...Let's just put it this way, his Cabinet would be an absolute joke.

Dean or Lieberman will win the nomination unless Hillary decides to run.

Could anyone explain to me why she is so popular with the left and what/if any redeeming qualities she has?
 

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
Nope, he screwed himself by dragging out Floriduh 2000. Had he accepted Bill's advice for his help he would have probably won in 2000, except the stupid moron said he would do it on his own...which has become his motto. He refused to delegate any authority and will not have more intelligent people around him...Let's just put it this way, his Cabinet would be an absolute joke.

Dean or Lieberman will win the nomination unless Hillary decides to run.

Could anyone explain to me why she is so popular with the left and what/if any redeeming qualities she has?

Hillary? I expect two qualities attract people to her. Fame by association and being female.

Lieberman will not win, since he is the Democratic verson of Bush on many things. I won't vote for him in the primary.


Been thinking about Dean. Not the best in all fields, but he certainly has been on the move since his gaff on TV a few months ago. Shows the ability to adapt and creatively think. Good qualities if directed appropriately.
 

Zebo

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The only reason ALGORE did as well as he did was Clinton was his cheerleader, was VP and had momentum from Clinton presidency. NOW he would get slaughtered.

-Americans don't like a has been loser
-Bush beat him already and now hes president..
-ALGORE is the only guy who looks dumber than Bush even though he's not


No chance.
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
He refused to delegate any authority and will not have more intelligent people around him...Let's just put it this way, his Cabinet would be an absolute joke.
Better than Dubya's where Bush has delegated authority so much that noone is held responsible for anything.
The buck stops at the presidents desk. If Gore ran and won the nomination, I would vote for him over Bush any second.
If economy is the issue, I would rather run on Clinton/Gore's record than Bush's
 

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Gore is dead meat..
not only would he be running against Bush, but he would be opposed by Clintoon et. al.,
in order to keep 2008 open for hillary.

being pressured to run! HAHAHAHAHA

Gore is "floating a balloon" which is going to pop and go nowhere...
 

Nitemare

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: Nitemare
He refused to delegate any authority and will not have more intelligent people around him...Let's just put it this way, his Cabinet would be an absolute joke.
Better than Dubya's where Bush has delegated authority so much that noone is held responsible for anything.
The buck stops at the presidents desk. If Gore ran and won the nomination, I would vote for him over Bush any second.
If economy is the issue, I would rather run on Clinton/Gore's record than Bush's

Bush knew that he was incapable of running the country by himself and thus created a cabinet that could effectively help make all the decisions. He's smart enough to do this. Gore was not even smart enough to accept Clinton's offer to help

This is why he will lose and lose miserably. He is not a team player and he will never admit when he is wrong, plus his little tantrum st the end of the elections
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: Nitemare
He refused to delegate any authority and will not have more intelligent people around him...Let's just put it this way, his Cabinet would be an absolute joke.
Better than Dubya's where Bush has delegated authority so much that noone is held responsible for anything.
The buck stops at the presidents desk. If Gore ran and won the nomination, I would vote for him over Bush any second.
If economy is the issue, I would rather run on Clinton/Gore's record than Bush's

Bush knew that he was incapable of running the country by himself and thus created a cabinet that could effectively help make all the decisions. He's smart enough to do this. Gore was not even smart enough to accept Clinton's offer to help

This is why he will lose and lose miserably. He is not a team player and he will never admit when he is wrong, plus his little tantrum st the end of the elections

What's so great about Bush's delegating? Foreign policy hijacked by the neocons in the DOD? Tom Ridge? Ashcroft? Intelligence failures of 9/11 and Niger Uranium?
Has anyone been held accountable for anything in Bush administration?
 

Nitemare

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: Nitemare
He refused to delegate any authority and will not have more intelligent people around him...Let's just put it this way, his Cabinet would be an absolute joke.
Better than Dubya's where Bush has delegated authority so much that noone is held responsible for anything.
The buck stops at the presidents desk. If Gore ran and won the nomination, I would vote for him over Bush any second.
If economy is the issue, I would rather run on Clinton/Gore's record than Bush's

Bush knew that he was incapable of running the country by himself and thus created a cabinet that could effectively help make all the decisions. He's smart enough to do this. Gore was not even smart enough to accept Clinton's offer to help

This is why he will lose and lose miserably. He is not a team player and he will never admit when he is wrong, plus his little tantrum st the end of the elections

What's so great about Bush's delegating? Foreign policy hijacked by the neocons in the DOD? Tom Ridge? Ashcroft? Intelligence failures of 9/11 and Niger Uranium?
Has anyone been held accountable for anything in Bush administration?

Ashcroft is Hitler reincarnated and most republicans hate him as well. Ridge sold out to Microsoft, other than those two what else?
 

Drift3r

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Gore has no personality thus he won't win. Infact that is why he didn't win the first time around. If you go back to Gore's debates with Bush you will see that everything Gore was saying on foriegn policy, Bush is now enacting. In fact he was more on target when it came to the economy and protecting the Fed's surplus we had way back in the past then Bush. The reason he lost the election and the reason why it was soooo close was because he did not have the personality to pull more un-decided votes away from Bush. Face it Gore just sounds like a freaking robot and it was waaaaay to obvious that he needed opinion polls to tell him what to say and do. Of course thats not to say that Bush does not look at opinion polls but he can get away with it a lot better then Gore.
 

Nitemare

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The sad thing is that a survey was done somewhere and most people would vote for Hillary or Gore than the 7 or 9 dwarves that they have running now and they have not even campaigned. If that is not a kick in the balls to the dwarves self esteem I don't know what is.
 

XZeroII

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: Nitemare
He refused to delegate any authority and will not have more intelligent people around him...Let's just put it this way, his Cabinet would be an absolute joke.
Better than Dubya's where Bush has delegated authority so much that noone is held responsible for anything.
The buck stops at the presidents desk. If Gore ran and won the nomination, I would vote for him over Bush any second.
If economy is the issue, I would rather run on Clinton/Gore's record than Bush's

Bush knew that he was incapable of running the country by himself and thus created a cabinet that could effectively help make all the decisions. He's smart enough to do this. Gore was not even smart enough to accept Clinton's offer to help

This is why he will lose and lose miserably. He is not a team player and he will never admit when he is wrong, plus his little tantrum st the end of the elections

What's so great about Bush's delegating? Foreign policy hijacked by the neocons in the DOD? Tom Ridge? Ashcroft? Intelligence failures of 9/11 and Niger Uranium?
Has anyone been held accountable for anything in Bush administration?

Delegating is what good leaders do. Look at any good CEO and you will see that he/she is surrounded by people who are just as smart, if not smarter. You have people around you to complete what you lack because there isn't a single person on earth that is an expert at everything. That's the point of a cabinet, so the President doesn't have to stay up 18 hours/day trying to figure everything out himself. As for 9/11, I don't know how you can blame Bush. He was in the office for < 1 year. It would have taken at least a year to plan that, which means that the intelligence was collected during the Clinton administration.

It's easy to start throwing blame around and blaming the guy currently in office, but you seem to think that the president should be a miracle worker or something. You have to pick your battles. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.

I think Bush is great and here is why:

1. He is guided by what he thinks is right and wrong. I will use Clinton as a comparison. Clinton had no sense of right or wrong. He was only interested in his political career. Everything he did seemed to do was a show for the cameras. Bush doesn't care about the cameras. His political career may have been hurt by the war, but he did it because he thought it was the right thing to do. I admire someone who takes a stand for what they believe in.

2. He surrounds himself with smart people. As I mentioned earlier, this is important. You need people around you to tell you what is going on and to give you good advice.


However, I do not agree with his domestic terrorism policies. They go too far. He isn't perfect and there are some policies that I don't agree with, but he seems to be doing well. I will probably vote for Bush again.

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As for Gore, I don't think he would have a shot at all no matter what. I would never vote for him after what he pulled after losing the election. Asking for a single recount is acceptable because I would like accurate results, but when he started trying to change the law in his favor, suing, and asking for recount after recount after recount, I lost 100% faith in him and I'm sure many other did as well.
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: XZeroII
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: Nitemare
He refused to delegate any authority and will not have more intelligent people around him...Let's just put it this way, his Cabinet would be an absolute joke.
Better than Dubya's where Bush has delegated authority so much that noone is held responsible for anything.
The buck stops at the presidents desk. If Gore ran and won the nomination, I would vote for him over Bush any second.
If economy is the issue, I would rather run on Clinton/Gore's record than Bush's

Bush knew that he was incapable of running the country by himself and thus created a cabinet that could effectively help make all the decisions. He's smart enough to do this. Gore was not even smart enough to accept Clinton's offer to help

This is why he will lose and lose miserably. He is not a team player and he will never admit when he is wrong, plus his little tantrum st the end of the elections

What's so great about Bush's delegating? Foreign policy hijacked by the neocons in the DOD? Tom Ridge? Ashcroft? Intelligence failures of 9/11 and Niger Uranium?
Has anyone been held accountable for anything in Bush administration?

Delegating is what good leaders do. Look at any good CEO and you will see that he/she is surrounded by people who are just as smart, if not smarter. You have people around you to complete what you lack because there isn't a single person on earth that is an expert at everything. That's the point of a cabinet, so the President doesn't have to stay up 18 hours/day trying to figure everything out himself. As for 9/11, I don't know how you can blame Bush. He was in the office for < 1 year. It would have taken at least a year to plan that, which means that the intelligence was collected during the Clinton administration.
How can I blame Bush? Because he was president. If he wasn't willing to take the responsibility on day 1, he shouldn't have raised his hand and taken that oath.
But more importantly, Bush didn't hold anyone accountable for the intelligence failure that lead up to 9/11. 3000 people dead, and noone is accountable for failing to get a frikken clue?
It's easy to start throwing blame around and blaming the guy currently in office, but you seem to think that the president should be a miracle worker or something. You have to pick your battles. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.
And after you lose, you find out why you lost and fix it, not maintain status quo
I think Bush is great and here is why:
1. He is guided by what he thinks is right and wrong.
Was it right to fly on Enron jet during campaign, and then stay away when Enron manipulated CA energy market?
I will use Clinton as a comparison. Clinton had no sense of right or wrong. He was only interested in his political career.
Clinton was willing to make the hard decisions and left the country in a better fiscal shape than when he came into office. He did not irresponsibly run 500B deficits to give tax cuts to his political contributors. Bush wants to be a big spender and a tax cutter at the same time, which means more borrow and spend Reaganomics.
Everything he did seemed to do was a show for the cameras. Bush doesn't care about the cameras.
You talking about the USS Lincoln Photo op?
His political career may have been hurt by the war, but he did it because he thought it was the right thing to do.
To distract the country from the bad economy.
I admire someone who takes a stand for what they believe
will get them
the White House for a second term
2. He surrounds himself with smart people. As I mentioned earlier, this is important.
if you want to duck responsibility and blame it on someone else later
You need people around you to tell you what is going on and to give you good advice.
Such as Niger uranium forgeries.
However, I do not agree with his domestic terrorism policies. They go too far. He isn't perfect and there are some policies that I don't agree with, but he seems to be doing well. I will probably vote for Bush again.

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As for Gore, I don't think he would have a shot at all no matter what. I would never vote for him after what he pulled after losing the election. Asking for a single recount is acceptable because I would like accurate results, but when he started trying to change the law in his favor, suing, and asking for recount after recount after recount, I lost 100% faith in him and I'm sure many other did as well.
What recount after recount? The USSC didn't even let him finish one recount.
 

Wag

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I generally agree that Gore doesn't stand a chance. Dean? I certainly wouldn't vote for Lieberman. Who the hell else is there?

I might go Independant this year. Democrats are really sucking as much as the Reps.
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: Wag
I generally agree that Gore doesn't stand a chance. Dean? I certainly wouldn't vote for Lieberman. Who the hell else is there?

I might go Independant this year. Democrats are really sucking as much as the Reps.

I hope Wesley Clark runs.
 

josphII

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no way Gore can win, not after the florida election fiasco where he was exposed as a selfish do-anything-to-win spoiled brat and a liar