If G4's are so bad-ass at Photoshop....

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RSI

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Macs aren't a good choice, put it that way. They are way over-priced. The choice for PCs is far greater.

I'm not putting down the G4 processors in any way, I think they're great, but the Mac as a system, overall, plain and simply sucks.

I think they should make the G4 processors available to 'us'. ;)

A Mac would be OK if it was running Linux and BeOS, but then it really wouldn't be a Mac, and why would you get that hardware in the first place? To have a limited motherboard, crappy RAM and slow video acceleration? And to have severely limited software choices? If so, why not just buy a PC for much cheaper, and boot Win98, Win2000, BeOS and Linux? Then you have all the choice and variety you want, and the power to go with it.

Think Different.

-RSI
 

HayZeus 2000

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DesignDawg,



<< Then why does my (relatively wimpy by modern terms) BP6 dual celeron system do EVERY operation in HALF the time of the best-performing G4 in this place? >>



There's your problem right there Bubba. Haven't you heard the word? Apple released the first dual-processing computer EVERwith the G4 cube. Clearly, you've been had by the Wintel propaganda when you say your PC makes use of two processors! :Q



<< How pathetic! And to think this system cost MAYBE HALF what a barebones G4 (which we know OBVIOUSLY can't hang with it) would have cost me. >>



Clearly you don't see the appeal of the G4-why spend all that effort to build a nice Wintel system (nevermind the AMD processor, dammit, it's still Wintel! :p) when you can spend twice as much money for a Mac with Packard Bell quality? ;)
 

Chooie

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This just kills me:

<<Apple released the first dual-processing computer EVERwith the G4 cube.>>

Whaa?!?! :p
 

BoberFett

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Chooie

That was Apple's claim, that they did in fact release the first dual CPU home computer ever. To which all PC enthusiast promptly said &quot;Screw you Jobs.&quot;
 

DesignDawg

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You know what the real kicker about that &quot;first dual processor home system ever&quot; comment is? Macheads (I know FAR too many) will sit there and argue that it is true, EVEN THOUGH THEY KNOW I have had a dual processor system for well over a year. --AT HOME. I mean, they will say, &quot;Yeah, but it's not REALLY a dual processor system&quot;, or &quot;Yeah, but it's not really a home computer, like the G4&quot; or &quot;Yeah, but it's not really considered a true dual processor home computer&quot;. WTF? What's in a name? Apparently, a dual processor system by any other name (other than G4, that is) does NOT smell just as sweet. --Or at least is not an actual dual processor system. I'll be damned. I wonder who wrote the program that has made it look like I had two processors running all this time (taskmanager)

Ricky
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DABANSHEE

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&quot;Oh, what a LOAD. See, I knew Mac users would do this&quot;

AH, DesignDawg, I don't use Macs - you're making assumptions again. Well I use them at tech. But I don't really like them much. Mind you I like the way one can 'pop the bonnet' on them, that's good design. But I personally think any workstation at that price should have more than 3 spare slots &amp; 2 external bays.

&quot;<<If I was using photoshop I'd rather use a Mac, while Corel Draw for the PC>>. WHY?!?!?! This is the main point here. BECAUSE STEVE JOBS TOLD YOU TO?? A PC s BETTER at Photoshop than a MAC. So WHY would you rather use the Mac? Now KEEP IN MIND that ALL the rest of the stuff you said does NOT apply here. The different OSes, the different kernels, the &quot;fair playing fields&quot; and such.... If you are going to use PHOTOSHOP, you will be doing so on a Mac on MAC OS 9.....&quot;

Photoshop suiting the Mac has got nothing to do with hardware. Its just the way photoshop is designed, its designed for the Mac, really the PC version is just a port. So all the paramenters of the app &amp; the way the app works - the photoshop GUI etc, just don't suite a PC. I hate using photoshop on a PC, as far as using a PC, plain old Corel Draw Suite is better cause its designed for the PC.

I personally couldn't give a fuk which is better a Mac or a PC, but from my experiance &amp; the experiance of most experts, clock for clock the G4 does perform better than PCs, but the difference isnt much. Once price &amp; avaliability is taken into account the PC is miles ahead. Tests (&amp; that's plural not singular) on Slashdot showed that a 450mhz G4 using Redhat PPC, was on average slightly faster than a Redhat 450mhz P3 using the same HDD, video card &amp; ram. But that the PC worked out faster once price was entered into the equation.

&quot;Well, here's the deal: Mac OS 9 is ALL THEY HAVE

BTW, Mac OSX Server has been out for at least a year. Its Mac OSX Workstation that seems to be taking Apple forever to get to just the beta stage.

&quot;Oh, and you should know that OS 9 doesn't even support SMP, right&quot;

Also Mac OS9 is SMP compatable, well semi-compatible(mind you have to also get SMP apps). Right now all the top line G4s are SMP dual processor units, also its 500mhz not 550mhz.

&quot;Also, about running the same Linux distro.... WHY THE F*** would anyone do that? TO benchmark GIMP? There's a REASON why all these G4's aren't running Linux. --Because DESIGNERS NEED TO RUN DESIGN SOFTWARE. See?&quot;

There are thousands of people out there running Linux on G3/G4 workstations &amp; really its the only way to compare the underlying hardware with PCs, on a clock to clock basis. BTW, did I mention 'design' anywhere in my post, Computers are used for other purposes. Yellow Dog Linux on a G4 makes quite a good server you know. &amp; anyway GIMP on a Linux isnt a bad way to get arround multiple license fees. You seem to be very obssessed about design (its even in your name) &amp; comparings Macs with PCs (its even in your sig). I would have thought an important part of being a designer is being able to work outside the circle &amp; seeing things in different ways. I could run a test that shows a ole 686 Cyrix running at 150mhz is faster than a PII, but would it mean anything, no. Just as Steve Gates using some silly Special special Photoshop code to show that Macs are 4 times faster is balony too. Just as your little 'test' means nothing too.

I really don't give a fuk about which is better, my AMD K6-3 400@500mhz keeps me quite happy. Why are you so so emotional &amp; obsessed about such a non issue as Mac verses PC?
 

Soulflare

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I've worked in Photoshop extensively on both Mac and PC systems,
and the performance difference between the then &quot;godly&quot; G3
Powermac(350Mhz w/256Mb RAM) and my PII (400Mhz w/256Mb RAM) was
negligable at best.

However I must say that Mac laptops own, not really due
to any hardware advantage, but the display. My father bought a
top of the line Dell Inspiron a year or so ago for $5000(Cdn.
with the 15&quot; screen) and I tried doing Photoshop work on it during
a ski trip and couldn't because the display was so bad. :(

Having said that Mac laptops own, I would like to place in the
disclaimer that I wouldn't be caught dead with the iHandPurse...
I mean iBook. (iBooks are for panzies :p) Give me a Powerbook or
die, and let me get back to my PC desktop. ;)


 

DesignDawg

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Sure, the display on a powerbook owns.... It's active matrix. --It has NOTHING to do with mac vs. PC when you're talking about laptop displays. it has to do with active matrix vs. dual scan. EVERY notebook with active matrix owns EVERY notebook with dual scan when it comes to display. Your dad's notebook just happened to either be running at the wrong resolution (as LCD screens have a native res. and any other res. looks TERRIBLE) or he had a dual scan. My bet is on the latter. Nowadays, it's hard to find a respectable laptop with anything BUT active matrix, so this is a moot point.

Edit: Yep. Just checked. The Inspirons from a year ago were indeed dual scan. NASTY.

Ricky
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hans007

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well considering , that for the price of a dual g4 500 computer (around $3600 with 256mb ram) you could build a dual 1 ghz coppermine rig with probably a gig of ram, i dont think there is any question that the coppermine rig would roast the g4 . Probably one CPU it would still roast it. And it would out rc5 the mac too most likely. Now when the dual k7 boards come out, with $90 duron 750s (should be around that by the time those boards are out) running in them (amazing how a processor which is clock for clock about as good as the g4 at most things and costs $90 will end up being faster than apple's top of the line). Now possibly the g4+ will be out soon and hit 800mhz in copper, but by then it would be too late again as the mustang cored k7s would destroy them. The best idea i think , which is what a lot of people are saying , is that apple should just ditch their hardware entirely. I mean OSX is just a variant of openbsd, so why not port it and have OS X running on a dual p3 coppermine setup. Well, jobs has waaaayy to much pride to be that practical.