Dabanshee...
Oh, what a LOAD. See, I knew Mac users would do this. "Well, you can't blah blah blah and expect nyah nyah nyah..." Well, here's the deal: You CAN TALK about how it's not a fair test ALL DAY LONG, and you can TALK ABOUT how it's not a level playing field, but the fact of the mnatter is, no matter HOW MUCH you talk, my >$1,200.00 single-processor PC just beat a G4 at its own game 4 times over. <<Per clock cycle the G4 out performs a P3>>. That's just BULL-F@CKING-SH!T. I'm sorry, man. I REALLY wanted to see some truth in it all.... I really did. I did the test NOT to prove ayone wrong, so much as I did it out of curiosity. I figured, well, there MUST be SOME truth to the myth that G4's are better in photoshop.... I was SORELY disappointed. As I said, a G4 running at 550 MHz took TWICE the amount of time that my single CELERON at 550 MHz took to perform the SAME task in Photoshop 5.5. You just can't argue with that. Now, let's assume some of the OTHER stuff you are saying is true.... Dual processor G4? OK.... Well, I just so happen to have a really good friend who just bought a dual 550. So, I'll be putting that one to the test VERY soon. But let's keep in mind that NEVER, in the history of the world, has adding one processor MORE THAN DOUBLED your performance. As a matter of fact, UNLESS you are running BeOS, a second processor hardly EVER gives you more than 30% increase in performance. -Oh, and you shold know that OS 9 doesn't even support SMP, right? That's cold hard fact, Jack. Also, about running the same Linux distro.... WHY THE F*** would anyone do that? TO benchmark GIMP? There's a REASON why all these G4's aren't running Linux. --Because DESIGNERS NEED TO RUN DESIGN SOFTWARE. See? Name an Adobe product that runs on Linux. You have 10 seconds. Exactly.
And about the OSes not being level playing fields.... Well, here's the deal: Mac OS 9 is ALL THEY HAVE. I'm sorry there are more choices for the PC, but you can NOT limit the PC to one or the other just to try to even out the playing field. That's classic macintosh "PC crippling" tactics, and it makes no sense. (Like how they benchmarked an iMac with a Rage 128 Pro against a Pentium 1 with a RAGE PRO 8 MB.) They actually CLAIMED that they both had the SAME VIDEO CARD! This is documented fact! And WOW, how the iMac blew that PC away at 3D stuff! Imagine that!
Now, let me re-state the facts here. When Steve Jobs gets up and starts proagandizing, does he say, "Well, if this Mac were running on OS X, and had dual processors, it would beat this Pentium II running Windows 98 at some of our benchmarks"???? NO. HE DOES NOT. What he says is, "You can clearly see, our G4 is by far the top platform for all tests, ESPECIALLY photoshop, where you can see it outperform the PC by a large margin. And what else have we heard them say? CLOCK FOR CLOCK, the G4 is what, 4 TIMES FASTER? Or is it only TWICE as fast as the Pentium III? I can't remember? Well, as you will recall, I DID A CLOCK-FOR-CLOCK TEST of a CELERON (NOT a PIII even, mind you) and a G4, and the Celeron was TWICE AS FAST as the same-clocked G4 at photoshop, which, LET ME STRESS AGAIN, is, by Apple's account, the MOST OBVIOUS test to show which platform is superior.
Now, you have challenged me, and that has inspired me.... Here's what I'm gonna do. If my friend will let me, I'm gonna pit her G4 DUAL 550 against my celeron 550 (and I'm even gonna TAKE ONE PROCESSOR OUT, so noone can claim the other processor was working on background functions) and my duron 1 GHz. --And we're NOT gonna just do one test. We're gonna do 'em ALL. I will be making graphs. I'm looking forward to seeing if the G4 beats the PC in ANY test. Surely it will, if there are really some mac-optimized filters out there. I'd like to know which ones. --But I have no doubt that it's gonna be an OVERWHELMING victory for the PC. --ESPECIALLY when you take a look at that PRICE graph, where both of my PC's are gonna come in under the $1,500 mark, and the G4 is gonna be looming around that $4,000 line.
One last thing:
<<If I was using photoshop I'd rather use a Mac, while Corel Draw for the PC>>. WHY?!?!?! This is the main point here. BECAUSE STEVE JOBS TOLD YOU TO?? A PC s BETTER at Photoshop than a MAC. So WHY would you rather use the Mac? Now KEEP IN MIND that ALL the rest of the stuff you said does NOT apply here. The different OSes, the different kernels, the "fair playing fields" and such.... If you are going to use PHOTOSHOP, you will be doing so on a Mac on MAC OS 9. (unless you go back to an earlier Mac OS). Now, this SHOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM, according to Mr. Jobs. So, your choices are (if you wanna go top of the line)... A G4 dual 550 running Mac OS 9 (keeping in mind that OS 9 doesn't support SMP, yet, right?, which would mean that only ONE of those 550's is being used) at about $4,000.00, and a dual PIII 1 GHz. Those are out, right? Of course, this PC will be running Win2K, as it has been out for over a year now. This PC will run you somewhere around $2,500, TOPS. Now, keep in mind, I DID SAY we were going top-of-the-line, so I didn't put in a CHEAP-ASS overclocked PC running at 1 GHz, because that would be unfair to the price/performance ratio. --But let's not forget they're out there.
Who will outperform in Photoshop? Well, considering the test will end up the same as the ones I ran last night (a single G4 550 against a single 1 GHz PC (since SMP isn't used on OS 9 and Photoshop doesn't utilize it well anyway). The PC is gonna beat the socks off the G4, probably with about 400% performance. --And youc an stand there and whine all day, but it doesn't change this cold hard fact.
Now, let's manetion one other thing.... Let's say I wanted to get the maximum amount of photoshop work done.... I can buy a dually G4 at about $4,000.00, or I can buy 2 overclocked durons for about $3,000.00. Since ONE of the durons will do 4 times the amount of work as the single G4 system, does that NOT mean that I would effectively get 8 TIMES the amount of work done with my 2 computers in the same amount of time? Or am I missing something? --Oh, and I would still have $1,000.00 left to burn. What to do with that money? Well, I could buy ANOTHER PC with it.... for whatever purpose. --Or maybe 2 21" trinnys? Those would look nice. Let's not forget HOW FAR $1,000.00 goes in the PC market. It doesn't matter how far it would go in the Mac market, because the money would NOT be there to spend, would it?
Ricky
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