If Florida and Oklahoma were really numbers 1 and 2 . . .

[shira]

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Florida is No. 1 in the AP Top 25. Utah is perfect at No. 2, though not perfectly happy.

Texas and USC also claimed to be the best -- but media voters didn't think so.

The Gators received 48 first-place votes and 1,606 points in the poll released early Friday, after they beat Oklahoma 24-14 in the BCS national title game.

Utah, the only team in major college football to go undefeated this season, got 16 first-place votes and 1,519 points.

"I thought we had an outside chance," Utah coach Kyle Whittingham said in a telephone interview with the AP. "There was enough national sentiment, I thought we might get the No. 1 slot. It wasn't to be."

Florida won its third AP national championship and second in the last three seasons. Steve Spurrier and Heisman Trophy winner Danny Wuerffel led the Gators to the 1996 title.

No. 3 USC received one first-place vote. Texas was No. 4, and will have to settle with finishing ahead of fifth-ranked Oklahoma.

Sports polls are crap. Florida (#1 BCS rating) played Oklahoma (#2) for the BCS championship. EVERYONE knew going in that one of these teams would lose. So how come the loser (Oklahoma) is now the #5-rated team? How come it's not still #2?

If the polls mean anything, we now know that the BCS championship game actually matched #1 against #5. Why would anyone want THAT game?

 

[Genx87]

Well the polls changed after the former #2 team lost.

 

[NeoV]

buy a clue

Oklahoma ended the season w/2 losses

Texas - which beat Oklahoma, ended the season with 1 loss

USC ended the season w/1 loss

Utah ended the season w/zero losses

 

[palehorse]

The BCS has been completely fucked up since its inception, so why does this surprise anyone?

If they insist on keeping the BCS system, at all, then they should add a four-week playoff tournament for the top 16 teams.

This solution is obvious to everyone except the marketing douchebags who invented the BCS to begin with...

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: NeoV
buy a clue

Oklahoma ended the season w/2 losses

Texas - which beat Oklahoma, ended the season with 1 loss

USC ended the season w/1 loss

Utah ended the season w/zero losses

No, YOU get a clue.

If the BCS championship game guaranteed that the loser would NOT be #2, then clearly the #2 best team in the country did NOT participate in that game.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: NeoV
buy a clue

Oklahoma ended the season w/2 losses

Texas - which beat Oklahoma, ended the season with 1 loss

USC ended the season w/1 loss

Utah ended the season w/zero losses

No, YOU get a clue.

If the BCS championship game guaranteed that the loser would NOT be #2, then clearly the #2 best team in the country did NOT participate in that game.

So, if the winner beat the loser by 100 points, the losing team should be still considered #2? More like after the game, the voters decided that after all of the bowl games that the loser in this game really wasn't #2.

Your rant is weak and in the wrong forum.

 

[heyheybooboo]

The bad joke in all of this ...

While the FBS 'national championship' becomes more and more convoluted each year the FCS will soon expand it's playoff from 16 to 20 teams.

Eight teams will face 'play-in' games for the cut-down to the 'round' of 16.

The top four teams are 'seeded' or ranked to determine home field.

The overall bracket is set for the seeded teams to meet in the 'Semis'. The opponents in the 'round of sixteen' are not determined by the ranking of 5-16.

The initial 'round of sixteen' games are determined by proximity for the most part to keep travel costs down (for the teams and their fans) so 'Number 1' theoretically could face the fifth-ranked team (or 'Number 4' could face the sixteenth-ranked team, etc) in the 'round of sixteen'.

This has caused a bit of consternation in the past but everyone has pretty much grown to except it. 'Theoretically' the number one team may have to face the fifth-ranked team, the six-ranked team, the fourth-ranked team and the second-ranked team to become national champions.

Nobody really has a problem with it, anymore (except for your typical whiners). If you are the best team in any given year, prove it on the field or shut the hell up ...

 

[ProfJohn]

The BCS in a nut shell

After determining the Big-12 championship game participants, the BCS computers were put to work on other major contests and today the BCS declared Germany to be the winner of World War II.

"Germany put together an incredible number of victories beginning with the annexation of Austria and the Sudetenland and continuing on into conference play with defeats of Poland, France, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Belgium and the Netherlands. Their only losses came against the US and Russia; however considering their entire body of work--including an incredibly tough Strength of Schedule--our computers deemed them worthy of the #1 ranking."



Questioned about the #4 ranking of the United States the BCS commissioner stated "The US only had two major victories--Japan and Germany. The computer models, unlike humans, aren't influenced by head-to-head contests--they consider each contest to be only a single, equally-weighted event."

German Chancellor Adolf Hitler said "Yes, we lost to the US; but we defeated #2 ranked France in only 6 weeks." Herr Hitler has been criticized for seeking dramatic victories to earn 'style points' to enhance Germany's rankings. Hitler protested "Our contest with Poland was in doubt until the final day and the conditions in Norway were incredibly challenging and demanded the application of additional forces."

The French ranking has also come under scrutiny. The BCS commented " France had a single loss against Germany and following a preseason #1 ranking they only fell to #2."

Japan was ranked #3 with victories including Manchuria, Borneo and the Philippines.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: shira

Sports polls are crap.

Congrats on answering your own questions. Remember... Hawaii was a top 10 team last year. Mmm hmm

 

[BigJelly]

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: NeoV
buy a clue

Oklahoma ended the season w/2 losses

Texas - which beat Oklahoma, ended the season with 1 loss

USC ended the season w/1 loss

Utah ended the season w/zero losses

No, YOU get a clue.

If the BCS championship game guaranteed that the loser would NOT be #2, then clearly the #2 best team in the country did NOT participate in that game.

shira is saying that the loser of the national championship should be #2 reguardless of score since the championship game should be between the 2 best teams in the nation. So the loser is still the second best team even if they have more losses than all of the other teams.
He is showing that the BCS system is flawed because the AP poll put OK in 5th place due to the fact that there was no playoff system and the poll didn't put the second best team in the national championship game.

He is implying that had there been a playoff, the 2 teams would have proven they were the best teams in the nation; therefore, the 2nd best team is the team that lost to the best team (the loser of the national champtionship would and should be #2). So the fact that the AP poll says that OK was not the 2nd best team--after the game--admits that OK was NOT one of the two best teams in the nation BEFORE the national championship game. Thus proving the BCS got it wrong--again.

EDITED: had NeoV instead of shira in bolded part

 

[JEDIYoda]

USC could beat any of them in a playoff!!
In fact their coach basically said they would crush any of those who are in contention!!

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: BigJelly

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: NeoV
buy a clue

Oklahoma ended the season w/2 losses

Texas - which beat Oklahoma, ended the season with 1 loss

USC ended the season w/1 loss

Utah ended the season w/zero losses

No, YOU get a clue.

If the BCS championship game guaranteed that the loser would NOT be #2, then clearly the #2 best team in the country did NOT participate in that game.

neoV is saying that the loser of the national championship should be #2 reguardless of score since the championship game should be between the 2 best teams in the nation. So the loser is still the second best team even if they have more losses than all of the other teams.
He is showing that the BCS system is flawed because the AP poll put OK in 5th place due to the fact that there was no playoff system and the poll didn't put the second best team in the national championship game.

He is implying that had there been a playoff, the 2 teams would have proven they were the best teams in the nation; therefore, the 2nd best team is the team that lost to the best team (the loser of the national champtionship would and should be #2). So the fact that the AP poll says that OK was not the 2nd best team--after the game--admits that OK was NOT one of the two best teams in the nation BEFORE the national championship game. Thus proving the BCS got it wrong--again.

Yes, that is exactly MY (not NeoV's) point.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: BigJelly

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: NeoV
buy a clue

Oklahoma ended the season w/2 losses

Texas - which beat Oklahoma, ended the season with 1 loss

USC ended the season w/1 loss

Utah ended the season w/zero losses

No, YOU get a clue.

If the BCS championship game guaranteed that the loser would NOT be #2, then clearly the #2 best team in the country did NOT participate in that game.

neoV is saying that the loser of the national championship should be #2 reguardless of score since the championship game should be between the 2 best teams in the nation. So the loser is still the second best team even if they have more losses than all of the other teams.
He is showing that the BCS system is flawed because the AP poll put OK in 5th place due to the fact that there was no playoff system and the poll didn't put the second best team in the national championship game.

He is implying that had there been a playoff, the 2 teams would have proven they were the best teams in the nation; therefore, the 2nd best team is the team that lost to the best team (the loser of the national champtionship would and should be #2). So the fact that the AP poll says that OK was not the 2nd best team--after the game--admits that OK was NOT one of the two best teams in the nation BEFORE the national championship game. Thus proving the BCS got it wrong--again.

Yes, that is exactly MY (not NeoV's) point.

Except, all teams are re-evaluated at the end of all the bowl games. If the losing team, lost a close game, it's possible for it to remain number 2.

 

[NeoV]

"neoV is saying that the loser of the national championship should be #2 reguardless of score"


I'm not saying that at all - that was the point of the op, not me.



The BCS game is between the top 2 ranked teams AT THAT TIME.

After the outcome of that game, and the other bowl games, the teams are ranked again, and the outcome of those games, including the BCS championship, may change their rankings - it's not hard to figure out.

How teams were ranked last year has nothing to do with this year. Hawaii last year was undefeated - similar to Utah this year - and had a very good QB. Yes, Georgia destroyed them in the bowl game, but Georgia last year was one of the top 4 teams in the country.

 

[BigJelly]

Originally posted by: NeoV
"neoV is saying that the loser of the national championship should be #2 reguardless of score"


I'm not saying that at all - that was the point of the op, not me.



The BCS game is between the top 2 ranked teams AT THAT TIME.

After the outcome of that game, and the other bowl games, the teams are ranked again, and the outcome of those games, including the BCS championship, may change their rankings - it's not hard to figure out.

How teams were ranked last year has nothing to do with this year. Hawaii last year was undefeated - similar to Utah this year - and had a very good QB. Yes, Georgia destroyed them in the bowl game, but Georgia last year was one of the top 4 teams in the country.

fixed; when I did the initial draft, I started it off with two you agreeing in principle but disagreeing in reason. So when I changed it I deleted shira's name instead of yours

 

[BigJelly]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: BigJelly

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: NeoV
buy a clue

Oklahoma ended the season w/2 losses

Texas - which beat Oklahoma, ended the season with 1 loss

USC ended the season w/1 loss

Utah ended the season w/zero losses

No, YOU get a clue.

If the BCS championship game guaranteed that the loser would NOT be #2, then clearly the #2 best team in the country did NOT participate in that game.

neoV is saying that the loser of the national championship should be #2 reguardless of score since the championship game should be between the 2 best teams in the nation. So the loser is still the second best team even if they have more losses than all of the other teams.
He is showing that the BCS system is flawed because the AP poll put OK in 5th place due to the fact that there was no playoff system and the poll didn't put the second best team in the national championship game.

He is implying that had there been a playoff, the 2 teams would have proven they were the best teams in the nation; therefore, the 2nd best team is the team that lost to the best team (the loser of the national champtionship would and should be #2). So the fact that the AP poll says that OK was not the 2nd best team--after the game--admits that OK was NOT one of the two best teams in the nation BEFORE the national championship game. Thus proving the BCS got it wrong--again.

Yes, that is exactly MY (not NeoV's) point.

Except, all teams are re-evaluated at the end of all the bowl games. If the losing team, lost a close game, it's possible for it to remain number 2.

but shira's point is that with a playoff, you put the 2 best teams in the nation in the championship game. So every team in theory should lose to the best team--and in a playoff system the second best team losses to the best team.
Of course with a playoff system you really can't say if the loser of the final game is really the 2nd best team maybe it was the 3rd or 4th best team, but saying they were the 5th best team is really a stretch (that's jumping back 2 brackets--IE 2 wins in a playoff system: 8>4>2>1). So for the BCS to pick a team that finished 5th overall, the AP poll is basically saying that OK didn't belong in the game.

EDITED: for the 2 wins/games in a playoff system (when ideally the 5th best team gets knock out) there are 8 teams left when the 5th best team is included. So the two games represent the bolded arrows, ">", above