If factory jobs moved back to US, wouldn't that mean more pollution?

[baydude]

If US moves factory jobs back from China, wouldn't our cities end up looking like this?

 

[Kazukian]

Why manufacture things in a densely populated city? Land is expensive and labor costs higher. And we've made some nice progress in reducing emissions.

 

[stormkroe]

The obvious answer is that
Regulations in the US are some
Of the highest wrt pollution.
Look at some of our clean efforts,
Like carbon tax, and you'll see.

Hope that's clear enough

 

[JSt0rm]

once we put smoggy mcbillions in charge of the epa it will no longer be a problem.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Gotta disband that department of environmental.

 

[Blue_Max]

The obvious answer is that
Regulations in the US are some
Of the highest wrt pollution.
Look at some of our clean efforts,
Like carbon tax, and you'll see.

Good point and let me add on that. A factory is going to exist somewhere to do a job, whether here or in China, etc.
We actually care (at least a little) about pollution and air/water quality so the factory will be a little cleaner-running from the get-go.
We also care a little more about human rights & safety so the workers will be in a better, safer environment.
We also care a little more about the safety of the products created in that factory, so a factory in China making paint during the day and baby food at night won't likely exist here (or would be shut down as soon as they're found/caught.)

I'm not saying we're perfect (or even what I'd call "good") ...but better than the alternative.

...and our citizens could be working instead of collecting food stamps.
(What's good for USA would be good for us in Canada, too.)


Speaking of clean energy, let's put all those unemployed to work on pedal-powered generators! No skills required - just generate xx kilowatts or put in minimum time for a minimum cash payout. Clean energy and healthier population at the same time!

 

[AnonymouseUser]

Good point and let me add on that. A factory is going to exist somewhere to do a job, whether here or in China, etc.
We actually care (at least a little) about pollution and air/water quality so the factory will be a little cleaner-running from the get-go.
We also care a little more about human rights & safety so the workers will be in a better, safer environment.
We also care a little more about the safety of the products created in that factory, so a factory in China making paint during the day and baby food at night won't likely exist here (or would be shut down as soon as they're found/caught.)

I'm not saying we're perfect (or even what I'd call "good") ...but better than the alternative.

...and our citizens could be working instead of collecting food stamps.
(What's good for USA would be good for us in Canada, too.)


Speaking of clean energy, let's put all those unemployed to work on pedal-powered generators! No skills required - just generate xx kilowatts or put in minimum time for a minimum cash payout. Clean energy and healthier population at the same time!

To add to that, shipping products from other countries to the US creates it's own emmissions, so even if the factories produced the same emmissions (they wouldn't), the pollution from outsourcing production will always be greater:

REPORT: Pollution from 15 of world's biggest ships equal that of world's 760m cars

 

[stormkroe]

Good point and let me add on that. A factory is going to exist somewhere to do a job, whether here or in China, etc.
We actually care (at least a little) about pollution and air/water quality so the factory will be a little cleaner-running from the get-go.
We also care a little more about human rights & safety so the workers will be in a better, safer environment.
We also care a little more about the safety of the products created in that factory, so a factory in China making paint during the day and baby food at night won't likely exist here (or would be shut down as soon as they're found/caught.)

I'm not saying we're perfect (or even what I'd call "good") ...but better than the alternative.

...and our citizens could be working instead of collecting food stamps.
(What's good for USA would be good for us in Canada, too.)


Speaking of clean energy, let's put all those unemployed to work on pedal-powered generators! No skills required - just generate xx kilowatts or put in minimum time for a minimum cash payout. Clean energy and healthier population at the same time!

But you missed the best part of my post

 

[TennesseeTony]

.....Speaking of clean energy, let's put all those unemployed to work on pedal-powered generators! No skills required - just generate xx kilowatts or put in minimum time for a minimum cash payout. Clean energy and healthier population at the same time!

Pure genius!

 

[MajinCry]

If the corporations were allowed to forego the law as they do now? Yes.

If the corporations were made to obey the law, as well as the law not being made more lenient, then no.

Trumplicious sure as hell isn't going to enforce the latter.

 

[Blue_Max]

To add to that, shipping products from other countries to the US creates it's own emmissions, so even if the factories produced the same emmissions (they wouldn't), the pollution from outsourcing production will always be greater:

Daaaaamned good point!

 

[Victorian Gray]

C'mon, none of you seriously believe that crap about 'bringing the jobs back home' do you?

 

[theeedude]

Nobody is going to move factories back to the US. If anything, Yen, Yuan and Peso have fallen since the election, on bets of the Fed raising interest rates to offset Trump's porkulus and prevent inflation, making US manufacturing even less attractive.

 

[Commodus]

Yeah, one of the biggest economic lies from the Trump campaign was that this would increase jobs. How? Companies like Foxconn are increasingly automating their manufacturing. Apple makes the Mac Pro in the US, but the process is so robotic that it hardly added any jobs. There's not much point to transplanting factories in the US when a large plant might only need 500 people instead of 5,000. You would eliminate some of the shipping, but that helps the environment and with reducing expenses, not employment.

 

[Triloby]

C'mon, none of you seriously believe that crap about 'bringing the jobs back home' do you?

Some people don't, but the Rust Belt and Midwest voters still do.

Even without all these trade deals going on, those factory jobs would've still been made obsolete by both cost and automation alone. In the grand scheme of things, pollution would be the least of their problems.

 

[flexy]

No one is moving "jobs back to the US" as long as Mr. Wu in Shenzhen works for $0.10/hr.
This is not even on Trump. Those are decisions made in boardrooms of corporates. Producing in China == more profit. And this is capitalism where profit dominates everything. So keep on dreaming, guys.

Also, even with tax cuts for jobs in the US, Mr. Wu will still be working for SIGNIFICANTLY less.

 

[sandorski]

China's main problem is in how they generate the electricity powering their Manufacturing. Coal is just bad. Fortunately they are quickly changing to more Green generating methods, so in a couple decades they should have pollution well under control.

 

[Blue_Max]

No one is moving "jobs back to the US" as long as Mr. Wu in Shenzhen works for $0.10/hr.
This is not even on Trump. Those are decisions made in boardrooms of corporates. Producing in China == more profit. And this is capitalism where profit dominates everything. So keep on dreaming, guys.

Also, even with tax cuts for jobs in the US, Mr. Wu will still be working for SIGNIFICANTLY less.

Very valid point. If a job CAN be done overseas for far less, even after the cost of shipping, it'll probably continue to be.

Any jobs created will have to be ones that are done better by our own folks at home. Phone centers, for example. A lot of customers hate, hate, HATE tech support (etc) from India. Most customers were willing to pay a little extra for customer service in the language and culture they're familiar with. Gives them the impression (even if false) that the company cares about their customers.

...or NEW jobs in a new industry. If a factory has to be built, it's factored into the cost of the company/product. If that factory already exists in China, they'll use it since your costs will be $millions less. If it has to be built anyway for an entirely new thing, one could be considered a hero for building it at home. Employee costs might be much higher, but it could bring in a lot of new customers in support.
...could. Maybe. Depending on the cost of the product. *shrug*

Lots to consider.

 

[brycejones]

Gotta disband that department of environmental.

And beef up the cyber, need more cyber

 

[Kazukian]

C'mon, none of you seriously believe that crap about 'bringing the jobs back home' do you?

Ever heard of the chicken wars?

Seen many pickups made overseas on the road lately? Oh, that's right, you don't live in the US...

 

[HTFOff]

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[brycejones]

If US moves factory jobs back from China, wouldn't our cities end up looking like this?

Only if we get rid of the job killing EPA. Trump has said he supports clean air and water, so I'll take that at face value for now. The man who appears to be his EPA pick will probably gut any co2 regulations though. Now if he also moves to gut mercury and sulphur regulations then we'll know clean air and water was BS.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

DOOM and GLOOM

 

[Victorian Gray]

Ever heard of the chicken wars?

Seen many pickups made overseas on the road lately? Oh, that's right, you don't live in the US...

Dude, seriously, the jobs are not coming back. In spite of the election result this is 2016 not 1850. The "know-nothings" still know nothing.

 

[superstition]

China's main problem is in how they generate the electricity powering their Manufacturing. Coal is just bad. Fortunately they are quickly changing to more Green generating methods, so in a couple decades they should have pollution well under control.

Mike Pence injected "War on Coal" three times in the VP debate in irrelevant moments.

George. W exempted power plants, the largest source of mercury pollution, from his mercury emissions regulation.