If Bush is re-elected. . .

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Colin Powell is awesome. If he was a native born US citizen then i wish he would run for president.

Powell is elgible to run for president, however he does not wish to run, IIRC, his wife's concerns heavily influenced his decision.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: kage69
I find it odd that somehow Ashcroft managed to escape your list, and he is easily the scariest and most repugnant government official our country has ever seen. I would take 3 Don Rumsfelds if only to get rid of John Asscough.

The hot rumor is that Ashcroft will resign due to health problems, specifically pancreatitis.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: kage69
I find it odd that somehow Ashcroft managed to escape your list, and he is easily the scariest and most repugnant government official our country has ever seen. I would take 3 Don Rumsfelds if only to get rid of John Asscough.

The hot rumor is that Ashcroft will resign due to health problems, specifically pancreatitis.

More like a**holitis.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Colin Powell is awesome. If he was a native born US citizen then i wish he would run for president.

Powell is elgible to run for president, however he does not wish to run, IIRC, his wife's concerns heavily influenced his decision.

Are you sure. I remember hearing something that he was not born in the US.

No matter how much i would love for him to run and win i dont want that to happen. I personally do not believe that the country is ready for the leadership under a black. I am, but there are many people who are not. Powell is and will always be an excellent leader, i think it is the country that is limiting him not his or his wifes drive.

-Kevin

 

[kage69]

The hot rumor is that Ashcroft will resign due to health problems, specifically pancreatitis.

One can only hope, although rumors tend not to comfort me that much. And that's news to me - I was under the impression his particular afflication was a severe case of 'rectal-cranial inversion.'

 

[conjur]

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/biog/1349.htm

Secretary Powell was born in New York City on April 5, 1937 and was raised in the South Bronx. His parents, Luther and Maud Powell, immigrated to the United States from Jamaica.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

The hot rumor is that Ashcroft will resign due to health problems, specifically pancreatitis.

I don't care what the reason is, so long as there is one. I'm confident Ashcroft is, bar none, the most harmful Cabinet member of my lifetime.

 

[CaptnKirk]

The hot rumor is that Ashcroft will resign due to health problems, specifically pancreatitis

Vampires do not have human organs.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
The hot rumor is that Ashcroft will resign due to health problems, specifically pancreatitis

Vampires do not have human organs.

{Thinking of a very vile, rude, crude and vicious thing to say about John Ashcroft. If the Bush Administration were running these boards, I'd have the SS banging down my door right now.}

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: arsbanned

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
I would like to see a few changes in his cabinet.

First...Rumsfeld needs to go....I think he has blown too much smoke up everyones a$$ for way too long.

Second...Powell needs to go...perhaps be moved to SOD or just go quietly into retirement.

Third...McCain for SOS...or SOD...would be good as either.

Fourth...If McCain is SOD then Guilliani as SOS.

Fifth...sorry Tommy...you gotta go...move Frist from Senate to HHS...he is a doctor and has a clue if not Frist than perhaps in a bold move offer it to Bill Gates...who seems to have a real interest and perhaps some knowledge in the area.

These seem like good reasons to not vote for Bush, because he is keeping the same cabinet, for the most part. The same wacked out right-wingers will still be there. I am a little surprised you want them to go.

If you're such a huge fan of his strategies, I suggest you join the Army Reserve and voluntarily go active. They could use you in Iraq.

Are you kidding? hahaha! No, he'd rather "bravely" offer up others to die.

I really can't stand democrats lately...if we still had FDR or JFK types, I would probably be a democrat.

I personally view Kerry as traitor.

I dont like Edwards because of his trial lawyer past.

We shouldn't have had to go to war with Iraq if Clinton would have put the smack down in 1998 after Saddam kicked out the inspectors....its like a criminal giving his parole officer the boot.

The first WTC bombing made us look weak...look at what we reaped!

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

We shouldn't have had to go to war with Iraq if Clinton would have put the smack down in 1998 after Saddam kicked out the inspectors...

Correction:

We shouldn't have had to go to war with Iraq if Bush I would have put the smack down in Gulf War I after Saddam invaded Kuwait.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

We shouldn't have had to go to war with Iraq if Clinton would have put the smack down in 1998 after Saddam kicked out the inspectors...

Correction:

We shouldn't have had to go to war with Iraq if Bush I would have put the smack down in Gulf War I after Saddam invaded Kuwait.

Now get ready for this . . .

I agree with you!!!

 

[Kibbo]

You would probably still have troops in Iraq now.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

We shouldn't have had to go to war with Iraq if Clinton would have put the smack down in 1998 after Saddam kicked out the inspectors...

Correction:

We shouldn't have had to go to war with Iraq if Bush I would have put the smack down in Gulf War I after Saddam invaded Kuwait.

Now get ready for this . . .

I agree with you!!!

:shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: You trying to give me a heart attack???

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

We shouldn't have had to go to war with Iraq if Clinton would have put the smack down in 1998 after Saddam kicked out the inspectors...

Correction:

We shouldn't have had to go to war with Iraq if Bush I would have put the smack down in Gulf War I after Saddam invaded Kuwait.

Now get ready for this . . .

I agree with you!!!

:shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: You trying to give me a heart attack???

No sir...I would never wish that anyone.

But I pose a question...if Bush wins...will you wish the best for the country and the world?

In turn, if Kerry is elected, I hope he is successful and that America continues to prosper.

First and foremost I am an American...for me the Rhetoric will end after the election...

...until then...the gloves are off
:beer:

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Crimson

Please provide links to articles which show we are not meeting our recruiting and retention needs in the military. Everything I have read have said just the opposite.. but, I am sure you can prove me wrong.

The National Guard missed its recruiting goals for the year, and the AD and Reserve prospects of meeting next year's goals look soft (they satisfied their FY04 goals, largely on the strength of delayed enlistees, which have dropped markedly going into FY05). This is part of the reason the Army has increased enlistment bonuses this year. Meanwhile, thousands of soldiers are affected by stop-loss, so if and when they're permitted to leave, the available force will just shrink.

I honestly think military service would be good for you, and offer a real chance to serve your country. Why don't you do it, if you're such an ardent supporter of the war?

Your turn Crimson.

*CRICKETS*

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: kage69
I find it odd that somehow Ashcroft managed to escape your list, and he is easily the scariest and most repugnant government official our country has ever seen. I would take 3 Don Rumsfelds if only to get rid of John Asscough.

The hot rumor is that Ashcroft will resign due to health problems, specifically pancreatitis.

More like a**holitis.

:laugh:

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo


But I pose a question...if Bush wins...will you wish the best for the country and the world?

I can say yes absolutely and unreservedly. God knows I supported President Bush in the aftermath of 9/11, and was proud to serve under him. I want nothing more than for America to be a true beacon of peace and freedom for the rest of the world, and I sure as hell don't want any (more) GIs to die in support of poorly-planned, politically-motivated military actions.

Of course, to return to the basis of this thread, I'd have greater confidence in the outcome if President Bush would do some significant restacking in his Cabinet and at the Pentagon.

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Crimson

Please provide links to articles which show we are not meeting our recruiting and retention needs in the military. Everything I have read have said just the opposite.. but, I am sure you can prove me wrong.

The National Guard missed its recruiting goals for the year, and the AD and Reserve prospects of meeting next year's goals look soft (they satisfied their FY04 goals, largely on the strength of delayed enlistees, which have dropped markedly going into FY05). This is part of the reason the Army has increased enlistment bonuses this year. Meanwhile, thousands of soldiers are affected by stop-loss, so if and when they're permitted to leave, the available force will just shrink.

I honestly think military service would be good for you, and offer a real chance to serve your country. Why don't you do it, if you're such an ardent supporter of the war?

Do you support raising taxes to cut the deficit? Why don't you pay more in taxes than you owe then to cut the deficit? After all, if you support raises MY taxes, why don't you VOLUNTARILY do it? Can you support cutting the deficit without paying extra in taxes? Of course, but using your logic you cannot support the war without being in the military.

Have you or anyone in your family ever needed to assistance of a police officer or firefighter? Just curious, can you expect a police officer to defend your family from a man pointing a gun at you without joining the police force? Can you expect a firefighter to run into your burning house after your children without being a firefighter?

By your logic, if I support the police raids on drug houses, I should have to join the police force.. After all, I am expecting that the police officers put themselves in harms way to do something that I am unable or unwilling to do.. So, by your twisted logic, if I am not a police officer I cannot support making the police enforce the laws of this country?

Your logic makes absolutely NO sense.. And it proves to me what a dangerous person you are. This entire country is built on the fact that people are willing to volunteer to do jobs like police, fire, military, so that others who are unable or unwilling to do it themselves are protected. If you followed your belief, people not in those professions would have no right to expect a police officer to protect them from an armed intruder. That is ABSOLUTELY and HORRIBLY wrong. I think you believe that you serving in the military as a lawyer somehow gives you more rights as an American than the guy cleaning the bathroom at the local Denny's.. and it doesn't..

Let me ask you this, does the President of the United States, as a civilian, have the right to send the military into war? Some Presidents, like Clinton, were NEVER in the military. Using your logic, Clinton should have never sent troops into any conflict because he was not, and had never been in the military? PLEASE explain that extremely flawed logic you have. Our government is specifically built on civilian control of the military..

Honestly, I think you may well be served LEAVING the military if thats the attitude you have.

Now, concerning recruitment.. Your statistics only seem to apply to the national guard. Are you making the claim that the Marines/Navy, Army, and Air Force are also NOT meeting their recruiting needs? Also, as that article points out, the guard is having more trouble because its not getting the normal flow of people who would join after leaving active duty. So, showing an article that the national guard is going to miss its goal of 56000 by 5000 people does not seem to be the slam dunk that you portray it to be that the military is not meeting its goals as a whole..

So, do you have anything which states that the other branches of the military are also not meeting their goals? Because I can't find any. I'm not saying its not true, but you are the one making the claim, and everything I have heard recently says they ARE meeting their goals. You need to prove your accusation.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Do you support raising taxes to cut the deficit? Why don't you pay more in taxes than you owe then to cut the deficit? After all, if you support raises MY taxes, why don't you VOLUNTARILY do it? Can you support cutting the deficit without paying extra in taxes? Of course, but using your logic you cannot support the war without being in the military.

Have you or anyone in your family ever needed to assistance of a police officer or firefighter? Just curious, can you expect a police officer to defend your family from a man pointing a gun at you without joining the police force? Can you expect a firefighter to run into your burning house after your children without being a firefighter?

By your logic, if I support the police raids on drug houses, I should have to join the police force.. After all, I am expecting that the police officers put themselves in harms way to do something that I am unable or unwilling to do.. So, by your twisted logic, if I am not a police officer I cannot support making the police enforce the laws of this country?

Your logic makes absolutely NO sense.. And it proves to me what a dangerous person you are. This entire country is built on the fact that people are willing to volunteer to do jobs like police, fire, military, so that others who are unable or unwilling to do it themselves are protected. If you followed your belief, people not in those professions would have no right to expect a police officer to protect them from an armed intruder. That is ABSOLUTELY and HORRIBLY wrong. I think you believe that you serving in the military as a lawyer somehow gives you more rights as an American than the guy cleaning the bathroom at the local Denny's.. and it doesn't..

Let me ask you this, does the President of the United States, as a civilian, have the right to send the military into war? Some Presidents, like Clinton, were NEVER in the military. Using your logic, Clinton should have never sent troops into any conflict because he was not, and had never been in the military? PLEASE explain that extremely flawed logic you have. Our government is specifically built on civilian control of the military..

Honestly, I think you may well be served LEAVING the military if thats the attitude you have.

Now, concerning recruitment.. Your statistics only seem to apply to the national guard. Are you making the claim that the Marines/Navy, Army, and Air Force are also NOT meeting their recruiting needs? Also, as that article points out, the guard is having more trouble because its not getting the normal flow of people who would join after leaving active duty. So, showing an article that the national guard is going to miss its goal of 56000 by 5000 people does not seem to be the slam dunk that you portray it to be that the military is not meeting its goals as a whole..

So, do you have anything which states that the other branches of the military are also not meeting their goals? Because I can't find any. I'm not saying its not true, but you are the one making the claim, and everything I have heard recently says they ARE meeting their goals. You need to prove your accusation.

Jeez, I think thou doth protest too much.

I never said you had to join the military, or that you couldn't support your SecDef without doing so - I just suggested you consider it, and I stand by that. You have such obvious distaste for me personally that you're letting it color your perception of what I'm saying - I defy you to find any "twisted logic" in my benign suggestion that you join the Reserves.

I further never made any "accusation" there was a crisis in military recruiting, just that it was down, and that there was a need for more bodies, which is true, plain and simple. Are you implying that if, for example, each force was 10% below its recruiting goals, you'd sign up? I doubt that very seriously.

It might be time for you to get some fresh air, because you sound like you could use it.

Seriously, consider joining the Army Reserve. There are many positive aspects of being a military officer, and it is a no-kidding way to support your nation, and to act on your support for Scty Rumsfeld and President Bush. I am proud to serve as a military officer, and if it's "twisted logic" to encourage others to join the service, then color me twisted (or, in your own words, a "dangerous person").

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Crimson

Do you support raising taxes to cut the deficit? Why don't you pay more in taxes than you owe then to cut the deficit? After all, if you support raises MY taxes, why don't you VOLUNTARILY do it? Can you support cutting the deficit without paying extra in taxes? Of course, but using your logic you cannot support the war without being in the military.

Have you or anyone in your family ever needed to assistance of a police officer or firefighter? Just curious, can you expect a police officer to defend your family from a man pointing a gun at you without joining the police force? Can you expect a firefighter to run into your burning house after your children without being a firefighter?

By your logic, if I support the police raids on drug houses, I should have to join the police force.. After all, I am expecting that the police officers put themselves in harms way to do something that I am unable or unwilling to do.. So, by your twisted logic, if I am not a police officer I cannot support making the police enforce the laws of this country?

Your logic makes absolutely NO sense.. And it proves to me what a dangerous person you are. This entire country is built on the fact that people are willing to volunteer to do jobs like police, fire, military, so that others who are unable or unwilling to do it themselves are protected. If you followed your belief, people not in those professions would have no right to expect a police officer to protect them from an armed intruder. That is ABSOLUTELY and HORRIBLY wrong. I think you believe that you serving in the military as a lawyer somehow gives you more rights as an American than the guy cleaning the bathroom at the local Denny's.. and it doesn't..

Let me ask you this, does the President of the United States, as a civilian, have the right to send the military into war? Some Presidents, like Clinton, were NEVER in the military. Using your logic, Clinton should have never sent troops into any conflict because he was not, and had never been in the military? PLEASE explain that extremely flawed logic you have. Our government is specifically built on civilian control of the military..

Honestly, I think you may well be served LEAVING the military if thats the attitude you have.

Now, concerning recruitment.. Your statistics only seem to apply to the national guard. Are you making the claim that the Marines/Navy, Army, and Air Force are also NOT meeting their recruiting needs? Also, as that article points out, the guard is having more trouble because its not getting the normal flow of people who would join after leaving active duty. So, showing an article that the national guard is going to miss its goal of 56000 by 5000 people does not seem to be the slam dunk that you portray it to be that the military is not meeting its goals as a whole..

So, do you have anything which states that the other branches of the military are also not meeting their goals? Because I can't find any. I'm not saying its not true, but you are the one making the claim, and everything I have heard recently says they ARE meeting their goals. You need to prove your accusation.

Jeez, I think thou doth protest too much.

I never said you had to join the military, or that you couldn't support your SecDef without doing so - I just suggested you consider it, and I stand by that. You have such obvious distaste for me personally that you're letting it color your perception of what I'm saying - I defy you to find any "twisted logic" in my benign suggestion that you join the Reserves.

I further never made any "accusation" there was a crisis in military recruiting, just that it was down, and that there was a need for more bodies, which is true, plain and simple. Are you implying that if, for example, each force was 10% below its recruiting goals, you'd sign up? I doubt that very seriously.

It might be time for you to get some fresh air, because you sound like you could use it.

Seriously, consider joining the Army Reserve. There are many positive aspects of being a military officer, and it is a no-kidding way to support your nation, and to act on your support for Scty Rumsfeld and President Bush. I am proud to serve as a military officer, and if it's "twisted logic" to encourage others to join the service, then color me twisted (or, in your own words, a "dangerous person").

I see no evidence pointing to the military being short 10% in recruiting.. Being short 10% in hitting your goals and being short 10% people period are completely different...

And you keep bringing up the fact that I should join the military.. Why is this? Because you are so full of yourself that you cannot make any other argument to a person who supports the current administration other than 'join up'? Thats all you ever do is throw your service in peoples face in these forums. If anyone needs to 'fresh air' I think its you..

Your twisted logic occurs when you simply cannot get by the fact that people don't need to be in the military to support military action. You simply cannot seem to counter anyone supporting actions in Iraq with anything other than 'I served, and you should to'..

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Crimson

I see no evidence pointing to the military being short 10% in recruiting.. Being short 10% in hitting your goals and being short 10% people period are completely different...

And you keep bringing up the fact that I should join the military.. Why is this? Because you are so full of yourself that you cannot make any other argument to a person who supports the current administration other than 'join up'? Thats all you ever do is throw your service in peoples face in these forums. If anyone needs to 'fresh air' I think its you..

Your twisted logic occurs when you simply cannot get by the fact that people don't need to be in the military to support military action. You simply cannot seem to counter anyone supporting actions in Iraq with anything other than 'I served, and you should to'..

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: thou doth protest too much. I never said you were morally obligated to join - I just recommended that you consider it, and I stand by that. Who woulda thunk that someone with such a hawkish foreign-policy worldview would so tenaciously stick to the idea that it's wrong to encourage people to join the military?

 

[SirStev0]

personally i hope whoever wins gives mccain a seat... hes a great man... besides being well deserving i feel he will have a very positive effect...