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If anything will sway you towards the pro-war side...

UnixFreak

Platinum Member
This video will help..

It just goes to show you how many of the protesters are there just to be trendy, or belong in some group, rather than form an opinion based on reasoning or logic. Watch them fumble on these simple questions, its hilarious.
 
I don't think anti war protestors are any more moronic than the majority of people. They find a cause, latch onto it, and parrot slogans and buzzwords to anyone who listens.

That being said, it is very amusing to see idiots being challenged and exposed. It's sad that the more intelligent anti-war people aren't more visible. (and, yes, there are intelligent anti-war protestors)
 
If you are going to be swayed by idiots and not by principles and truths, then you are a sheep. I don't see you intelligent war beaters coming over when listening to your conservative religous wackos who want this to be a holy war.
 
Well what did you expect? Most are just post-teen lemmings looking for a causes bandwagon to jump on to "Buck The System." These are the children of the same fools who spit on our troops as they came home from Vietnam.

~wnied~
 
Originally posted by: wnied
Well what did you expect? Most are just post-teen lemmings looking for a causes bandwagon to jump on to "Buck The System." These are the children of the same fools who spit on our troops as they came home from Vietnam.

~wnied~

 
Shoot, maybe I should interview a bunch of militant pro-war people, pick out their stupidest quotes - many out of context, and use it to paint everyone who might have pro-war leanings as trendy, parroting idiots. What a worthless video.
 
my point was more like "look at these idiots" rather than "all anti war people are idiots" but I guess I should spell it out.

I would say though, that this is the majority. I am a college student, I talk to these people every day. There are certain questions you will always get an "I don't know" about . I don't know about you guys, but If I am going to stand out in public and hold up a sign, I will at least have a solid opinion on the issue, and have it rooted in some sort of reasoning or logic, not just because all my unbathed, dope smoking friends are doing it.

you wont see me at any rally, pro war or anti-war, because I am not really decided, and I dont have enough evidence that either side is right. But at least I'll admit that much. I don't tout anything is fact, unless I am pretty sure it is.
 
Originally posted by: Mani
Shoot, maybe I should interview a bunch of militant pro-war people, pick out their stupidest quotes - many out of context, and use it to paint everyone who might have pro-war leanings as trendy, parroting idiots. What a worthless video.


Mani, there are certain question asked in that video. Since you did not like the answers that those people gave why don't you supply your own?

Let's see your answers!
 
That's a good point. For all of you who say "he only picked the stupid ones", maybe you should answer the questions for them.
 
Originally posted by: Mani
Shoot, maybe I should interview a bunch of militant pro-war people, pick out their stupidest quotes - many out of context, and use it to paint everyone who might have pro-war leanings as trendy, parroting idiots. What a worthless video.

Originally posted by: Nosaj
Originally posted by: hdeck
repost?

yeah, repost.

definitely a repost.

 
definitely a repost.

Where? I did a search for it first, so sue me. I am not going to comb every single thread to make sure it hasn't been mentioned. Thats what I thought the "search" function was for.
 
Originally posted by: etech
Originally posted by: Mani
Shoot, maybe I should interview a bunch of militant pro-war people, pick out their stupidest quotes - many out of context, and use it to paint everyone who might have pro-war leanings as trendy, parroting idiots. What a worthless video.


Mani, there are certain question asked in that video. Since you did not like the answers that those people gave why don't you supply your own?

Let's see your answers!

Quite honestly, I don't have answers. And that's why I'm not either totally pro-war or anti-war. But unlike most of the couch potato generals here I recognize that I don't have all the information at my disposal to determine whether Iraq is indeed a credible threat to our national security, or even a risk worth throwing billions at. The fact of the matter is, it was plainly obvious that the interviewer was on a mission to make those people look stupid (which many of them admittedly played right into) and it's not too hard to do when you have the ability to edit tape as you see fit.
 
Yes, it was posted before. Some threads have disapeared form ATOT, perhaps that was one of them.

The point to be made is that in that thread people were asked to come with their own answers to the questions posed in the film. I don't believe that anyone accepted that challenge. If they did and I have forgotten than forgive me.

If it is a repost and I believe it is, then post the link to the orginal or don't bother posting repost.

If you don't like the answers given by the people in that film, post yours and lets see how well they stand up. If you aren't chicken or ashamed that is.
 
etech, I agree with you, instead of discussing the slant, or the filmakers intentions, or other side issues, how about

PICK A F*CKING QUESTION AND ANSWER IT

You want to make me look dumb, or the people behind the video, thats the way to go!

it was plainly obvious that the interviewer was on a mission to make those people look stupid (which many of them admittedly played right into) and it's not too hard to do when you have the ability to edit tape as you see fit.

I don't see how editing the tape is any advantage other than to remove the people who didn't look like complete morons. Fine, it doesn't eliminate the fact that the people in the footage were morons, which you are trying to dispute. Yes, he was on a mission to prove that they were stupid, but he didn't make them look that way, they did that on thier own. How do you "make someone look stupid?" That is alleviation of responsibility in pure form. Nobody can "make me" look stupid. How about you?


Let me introduce you to my friend logic.

The person with camera is trying to prove a point, that many of these protesters are idiots and have nothing to back up thier opinion. He interviews some of these people, and asks them a question. They don't answer it, or say "I don't know". The point this guy is trying to prove is actually proven by the people themselves. He isn't standing in front of a camera with his statement, he uses them to prove it, by showing you their reactions firsthand.

Please explain how editing the film has anything to do with it? I am sure he edited it, and picked "the best ones" but does that mean "the best ones" aren't complete idiots? Does that eliminate all reasoning?

Part of the problem with rejecting stereotypes and generalizations, is there is a risk factor, and when you automatically reject all stereotypes and generalizations, (as the public schools have been teaching) then you are becoming as close minded as the people you are trying to avoid being like.

What I am saying is, with every generalization, there is a plausibility factor, and a risk factor. You say "most guys who drive old camaros have mullets" and your friend, wanting to avoid the possibility of sterotypes and generalizations being true, and not wanting to associate himself with it, argues with you, and claims it is not true. Then, later on, a survey is done that says 75% percent of guys who drive 1979 camaros have mullets. Your friend, in an attempt to be "open minded", and avoid stereotypes, turns out to be wrong.

Do you see what I am getting at? If you want to be truly open minded, you must accept the fact that some stereotypes and generalizations are true, otherwise you are just as close minded as the people who believe stereotypes and generalizations are 100% true. The difference is, in today's society, you'll be popular, as sad as that is.

That being said, most anti-war protesters cannot back up their opinions, or even argue a point, it is more of a fashion than a belief.


Maybe in three or pages, one person can speak out and answer some of these questions.
 
That's a funny, yet thought provoking video. Protests are not about thoughtful debate, they are about creating media impact; "colorful" people are not always the most articulate. It is interesting that nobody in the clip really had a clue as to what is going on in the world nor how to solve the crisis.
 
Originally posted by: wnied
Well what did you expect? Most are just post-teen lemmings looking for a causes bandwagon to jump on to "Buck The System." These are the children of the same fools who spit on our troops as they came home from Vietnam.

~wnied~

Yea, and that one female basketball player who turns her back to the flag...don't get me started.
 
Originally posted by: UnixFreak
I don't see how editing the tape is any advantage other than to remove the people who didn't look like complete morons. Fine, it doesn't eliminate the fact that the people in the footage were morons, which you are trying to dispute. Yes, he was on a mission to prove that they were stupid, but he didn't make them look that way, they did that on thier own. How do you "make someone look stupid?" That is alleviation of responsibility in pure form. Nobody can "make me" look stupid. How about you?

Now let me get one thing clear - I never disputed that most of the people interviewed were morons, so cut the straw man bullsh1t. As I said, the people he kept on the tape played right into his strategy of making the anti-war protesters look stupid. I don't doubt for a second that a good percentage of anti-war protesters are people who cannot backup their reasons for protesting the war. And stereotypes are formed for a reason - all of them have some basis in fact - dismissing them altogether is ignorant. However it is no more ignorant than blindly buying into them, or using a one-sided source to substantiate them.

The person with camera is trying to prove a point, that many of these protesters are idiots and have nothing to back up thier opinion. He interviews some of these people, and asks them a question. They don't answer it, or say "I don't know". The point this guy is trying to prove is actually proven by the people themselves. He isn't standing in front of a camera with his statement, he uses them to prove it, by showing you their reactions firsthand.

Please explain how editing the film has anything to do with it? I am sure he edited it, and picked "the best ones" but does that mean "the best ones" aren't complete idiots? Does that eliminate all reasoning?
All he accomplished was that he showed that a handful of the protestors out there were morons. Great, we know that some anti-war protestors are morons - was this any kind of a surprise? There are idiots as a part of any group, and all this vid showed is that this one is no different.

Maybe in three or pages, one person can speak out and answer some of these questions.
Well it won't be me. I don't claim to have any of the answers, but that is why I haven't made a choice yet of whether I am for or against action against Iraq. Since you and etech apparently seem to have it all figured out, you can enlighten me on why we should be fighting this war. Cuz this video didn't.
 
Originally posted by: etech
I haven't seen anyone give workable answers to those questions. That is the point.

i'm still a bit on the fence on whether i want to see us go to war, and i'm also waiting for good answers to those questions to better forumlate my opinion!

not that my opinion matters at all, but i'm sure as hell gonna let everyone know what it is when i figure it out!
 
Originally posted by: etech
I haven't seen anyone give workable answers to those questions. That is the point.

So why don't you guys give those of us on the fence your reasons why we should go to war? It's easy to shoot down other peoples' reasoning, tell me what justifies our spending billions and drawing intense international criticism on this effort.
 
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