if an Israeli police officer shoots @ a criminal in a crowded mall & kills 20 civilians...

[poohbear]

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just curious, if an israeli police officer shoots @ a criminal (a murderer lets say) in a crowded mall & kills 20 civilians as "collateral damage", would he get charged w/ 20 counts of manslaughter? I'm pretty sure a police officer that did such a thing in the USA would be in prison the rest of his life. if its not accepted, why is it ok for israel to use the same strategy in the palestinian territories but not in its own land? could the israelis, of all people, view the palestinians as sub-human?

the latest death toll is 784 palestinians and 13 israelis. Yes, 13 israelis, 10 of which were soldiers, and only 3 civilians.

more civilians die in a weekend of crime in chicago than the entire war in israel it would seem.

 

[ProfJohn]

Can we stop with the dumb-ass analogies already.

If the cop is walking through a mall and some guy starts shooting at him and he returns fire then what would say?

You ignore the fact that Hamas has a history of using schools and hospitals to stage attacks on Israeli troops. I am sure the guys in the tank felt they were defending themselves or their fellow troops.

 

[ProfJohn]

BTW they found the bodies of two Hamas militants at the school, I am sure they were just dropping their kids off for the day.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
BTW they found the bodies of two Hamas militants at the school, I am sure they were just dropping their kids off for the day.

Good good.. so how many childrens bodies were found?

2 Militants.. 20 Children

How would that make you feel if that was the US Army who murdered those children?

MONSTERS!!!!!!! ... IDENTICAL TO THOSE THEY ARE SUPPOSEDLY SUPERIOR TO :-(

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: dahunan
How would that make you feel if that was the US Army who murdered those children?

I'd be pissed at Hamas for using the school as a launching ground for their missiles.

BTW not to long ago Hamas launched a missile from a school that ended up killing someone in Israel.

Should Israel just ignore missiles that are launched from school? Maybe they should hand out maps to Hamas that say "launch missiles from here because we won't respond"

You have to be an idiot to not understand what happened here. Hamas WANTS innocent children killed so people like you will freak out. By freaking out you are helping Hamas in its goal to get support from around the world. When enough people like you freak out Israel will be pressured to stop and then Hamas will go back to its DAILY missile attacks on innocent people who happened to live close enough to Gaza to be hit by their missiles.

 

[Zebo]

It a war not a tennis match with a referee or tit for tat, it's about stopping rocket fire terrorizing and killing your civilians for years now.

How many children died in Dresden Nagasaki ans so on..hundreds of thousands, no? And what you guys don't understand is there will be hundreds of thousands dead again should Hamas remain in power and allowed to arm up. With increasing sophistication of weaponry they obtain they will kill lots more Israeli children and Israel will kill lots more Arab Palestinian children in response. Israeli is really doing a humane gesture here by eliminating this threat early, if they will just be steady, and ignore all hang wringing until task is done.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: dahunan
How would that make you feel if that was the US Army who murdered those children?

I'd be pissed at Hamas for using the school as a launching ground for their missiles.

BTW not to long ago Hamas launched a missile from a school that ended up killing someone in Israel.

Should Israel just ignore missiles that are launched from school? Maybe they should hand out maps to Hamas that say "launch missiles from here because we won't respond"

You have to be an idiot to not understand what happened here. Hamas WANTS innocent children killed so people like you will freak out. By freaking out you are helping Hamas in its goal to get support from around the world. When enough people like you freak out Israel will be pressured to stop and then Hamas will go back to its DAILY missile attacks on innocent people who happened to live close enough to Gaza to be hit by their missiles.

Missiles..lol

I could make something more deadly in my living room.. ahahah

you deniers are hilarious..

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: dahunan
How would that make you feel if that was the US Army who murdered those children?

I'd be pissed at Hamas for using the school as a launching ground for their missiles.

BTW not to long ago Hamas launched a missile from a school that ended up killing someone in Israel.

Should Israel just ignore missiles that are launched from school? Maybe they should hand out maps to Hamas that say "launch missiles from here because we won't respond"

You have to be an idiot to not understand what happened here. Hamas WANTS innocent children killed so people like you will freak out. By freaking out you are helping Hamas in its goal to get support from around the world. When enough people like you freak out Israel will be pressured to stop and then Hamas will go back to its DAILY missile attacks on innocent people who happened to live close enough to Gaza to be hit by their missiles.

Missiles..lol

I could make something more deadly in my living room.. ahahah

you deniers are hilarious..

And if you did create such weapons, and launched them from your living room against civilians in Israel, you'd claim that if Israel retaliated and bombed your house - killing you, but also killing your wife and children who you made sure always occupied your house as a shield for you - that would mean that Israel had perpetrated war crimes, right?

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: dahunan
How would that make you feel if that was the US Army who murdered those children?

I'd be pissed at Hamas for using the school as a launching ground for their missiles.

BTW not to long ago Hamas launched a missile from a school that ended up killing someone in Israel.

Should Israel just ignore missiles that are launched from school? Maybe they should hand out maps to Hamas that say "launch missiles from here because we won't respond"

You have to be an idiot to not understand what happened here. Hamas WANTS innocent children killed so people like you will freak out. By freaking out you are helping Hamas in its goal to get support from around the world. When enough people like you freak out Israel will be pressured to stop and then Hamas will go back to its DAILY missile attacks on innocent people who happened to live close enough to Gaza to be hit by their missiles.

Missiles..lol

I could make something more deadly in my living room.. ahahah

you deniers are hilarious..

And if you did create such weapons, and launched them from your living room against civilians in Israel, you'd claim that if Israel retaliated and bombed your house - killing you, but also killing your wife and children who you made sure always occupied your house as a shield for you - that would mean that Israel had perpetrated war crimes, right?

No!.. if my neighbor did it without me knowing and you savages killed him and murdered my wife and kids... then you would be no better and even worse than he

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: poohbear
the latest death toll is 784 palestinians and 13 israelis. Yes, 13 israelis, 10 of which were soldiers, and only 3 civilians.

more civilians die in a weekend of crime in chicago than the entire war in israel it would seem.

Israel is still well within its rights to do whatever is necessary to prevent Hamas rocket attacks against its population. You (nor the Palestinians) get no sympathy from me.

If you live in Nevada and California is lobbing the occasional rocket at you, you don't just lob the occasional rocket back, you punish those responsible and do whatever it takes to prevent it from happening in the future.

And yes, historically for war you can say that the casualties are remarkably light.

 

[imported_Asianman]

The point is not about killing the Hamas militants, its about killing the civilians. Gaza= 400000 Civilians, 10000-20000 militants.

Besides, Israel should be trying to negotiate a ceasefire, not taking over Gaza and then ignore it altogether.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Can we stop with the dumb-ass analogies already.

If the cop is walking through a mall and some guy starts shooting at him and he returns fire then what would say?

You ignore the fact that Hamas has a history of using schools and hospitals to stage attacks on Israeli troops. I am sure the guys in the tank felt they were defending themselves or their fellow troops.

The problem is Israel isn't defending itself, it is defending its occupation of Palestinian land and that is why it is wrong.

 

[linkgoron]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Can we stop with the dumb-ass analogies already.

If the cop is walking through a mall and some guy starts shooting at him and he returns fire then what would say?

You ignore the fact that Hamas has a history of using schools and hospitals to stage attacks on Israeli troops. I am sure the guys in the tank felt they were defending themselves or their fellow troops.

The problem is Israel isn't defending itself, it is defending its occupation of Palestinian land and that is why it is wrong.

How is defending people in Sderot or Ashqelon or Ashdod defence of occupations? All of those are Israeli cities inside of Israel.
Especially after there is no occupied land in the Gaza Strip. Israel has left Gaza after the disengagment.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: linkgoron

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Can we stop with the dumb-ass analogies already.

If the cop is walking through a mall and some guy starts shooting at him and he returns fire then what would say?

You ignore the fact that Hamas has a history of using schools and hospitals to stage attacks on Israeli troops. I am sure the guys in the tank felt they were defending themselves or their fellow troops.

The problem is Israel isn't defending itself, it is defending its occupation of Palestinian land and that is why it is wrong.

How is defending people in Sderot or Ashqelon or Ashdod defence of occupations? All of those are Israeli cities inside of Israel.
Especially after there is no occupied land in the Gaza Strip. Israel has left Gaza after the disengagment.

The whole of Gaza is occupied. They have no freedom of movement, trade, airspace, etc.

 

[ScottMac]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: linkgoron

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Can we stop with the dumb-ass analogies already.

If the cop is walking through a mall and some guy starts shooting at him and he returns fire then what would say?

You ignore the fact that Hamas has a history of using schools and hospitals to stage attacks on Israeli troops. I am sure the guys in the tank felt they were defending themselves or their fellow troops.

The problem is Israel isn't defending itself, it is defending its occupation of Palestinian land and that is why it is wrong.

How is defending people in Sderot or Ashqelon or Ashdod defence of occupations? All of those are Israeli cities inside of Israel.
Especially after there is no occupied land in the Gaza Strip. Israel has left Gaza after the disengagment.

The whole of Gaza is occupied. They have no freedom of movement, trade, airspace, etc.

Mostly because when they are given those freedoms, they take offensive action to indiscriminately kill Israeli citizens (of any age, gender, or occupation) or permit it to be done from places like schools.

That is the difference that makes the OP's premise stupid. The murderer kills indiscriminately; the law enforcement personnel won't shoot unless they have a specific target and clearance such that civilians are not likely to be injured.

If Israel stops, they are attacked ... if the {insert Palestinian militant group here} stops, there is peace.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: ScottMac

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: linkgoron

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Can we stop with the dumb-ass analogies already.

If the cop is walking through a mall and some guy starts shooting at him and he returns fire then what would say?

You ignore the fact that Hamas has a history of using schools and hospitals to stage attacks on Israeli troops. I am sure the guys in the tank felt they were defending themselves or their fellow troops.

The problem is Israel isn't defending itself, it is defending its occupation of Palestinian land and that is why it is wrong.

How is defending people in Sderot or Ashqelon or Ashdod defence of occupations? All of those are Israeli cities inside of Israel.
Especially after there is no occupied land in the Gaza Strip. Israel has left Gaza after the disengagment.

The whole of Gaza is occupied. They have no freedom of movement, trade, airspace, etc.

Mostly because when they are given those freedoms, they take offensive action to indiscriminately kill Israeli citizens (of any age, gender, or occupation) or permit it to be done from places like schools.

That is the difference that makes the OP's premise stupid. The murderer kills indiscriminately; the law enforcement personnel won't shoot unless they have a specific target and clearance such that civilians are not likely to be injured.

If Israel stops, they are attacked ... if the {insert Palestinian militant group here} stops, there is peace.

If Israel stops they are attacked because they are still maintaining their occupation. If hamas stops they die a slow death of poverty and disease.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Can we stop with the dumb-ass analogies already.

If the cop is walking through a mall and some guy starts shooting at him and he returns fire then what would say?

You ignore the fact that Hamas has a history of using schools and hospitals to stage attacks on Israeli troops. I am sure the guys in the tank felt they were defending themselves or their fellow troops.

The problem is Israel isn't defending itself, it is defending its occupation of Palestinian land and that is why it is wrong.

Israel withdrew from 100% of Gaza a couple of years ago.

Are you suggesting that Hamas who only controls Gaza is launching its missiles so Israel will leave the West Bank which is controlled by Hamas' enemy Fatah?

 

[DaveSimmons]

Originally posted by: dahunan
No!.. if my neighbor did it without me knowing and you savages killed him and murdered my wife and kids... then you would be no better and even worse than he

Except that the citizens support Hamas, so in this wacky analogy you brought the neighbor food and told him to keep up the good work of launching rockets at day care centers.

 

[Jiggz]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: dahunan
How would that make you feel if that was the US Army who murdered those children?

I'd be pissed at Hamas for using the school as a launching ground for their missiles.

BTW not to long ago Hamas launched a missile from a school that ended up killing someone in Israel.

Should Israel just ignore missiles that are launched from school? Maybe they should hand out maps to Hamas that say "launch missiles from here because we won't respond"

You have to be an idiot to not understand what happened here. Hamas WANTS innocent children killed so people like you will freak out. By freaking out you are helping Hamas in its goal to get support from around the world. When enough people like you freak out Israel will be pressured to stop and then Hamas will go back to its DAILY missile attacks on innocent people who happened to live close enough to Gaza to be hit by their missiles.

Missiles..lol

I could make something more deadly in my living room.. ahahah

you deniers are hilarious..

I guess your idiocy finally hit home and the best respond you can give back is "LOL"!

 

[Jiggz]

Originally posted by: Asianman
The point is not about killing the Hamas militants, its about killing the civilians. Gaza= 400000 Civilians, 10000-20000 militants.

Besides, Israel should be trying to negotiate a ceasefire, not taking over Gaza and then ignore it altogether.

Here's another one who thinks the underdog is always correct! Sit back and read more and then come back to post something logical not EMOTIONAL!

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: poohbear


the latest death toll is 784 palestinians and 13 israelis. Yes, 13 israelis, 10 of which were soldiers, and only 3 civilians.

"300 Hamas operatives have been killed since the ground offensive stage of Operation Cast Lead was launched a week ago"

I was under the impression from all of the emotional media coverage that there were 10 or 15 thousand dead civillians in Gaza????

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Can we stop with the dumb-ass analogies already.

If the cop is walking through a mall and some guy starts shooting at him and he returns fire then what would say?

You ignore the fact that Hamas has a history of using schools and hospitals to stage attacks on Israeli troops. I am sure the guys in the tank felt they were defending themselves or their fellow troops.

The problem is Israel isn't defending itself, it is defending its occupation of Palestinian land and that is why it is wrong.

You are the bright spot in my day!!
Your total misunderstanding and your very eloquent nievete concerning the facts is truly amazing!!

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

I'd be pissed at Hamas for using the school as a launching ground for their missiles.

Israel has a highly effective component in their forces to video and document these occurences, prior to engaging. I recall one such documented incident, at a school, run by UNRWA, where it was found that the teacher at a school was a rocket manufacturer.

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

very eloquent nievete

Mazel Tov!

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: poohbear
just curious, if an israeli police officer shoots @ a criminal (a murderer lets say) in a crowded mall & kills 20 civilians as "collateral damage", would he get charged w/ 20 counts of manslaughter? I'm pretty sure a police officer that did such a thing in the USA would be in prison the rest of his life. if its not accepted, why is it ok for israel to use the same strategy in the palestinian territories but not in its own land? could the israelis, of all people, view the palestinians as sub-human?

War and law enforcement have different standards. Fail.

the latest death toll is 784 palestinians and 13 israelis. Yes, 13 israelis, 10 of which were soldiers, and only 3 civilians.

more civilians die in a weekend of crime in chicago than the entire war in israel it would seem.

That's modern warfare between unequal opponents. Look at the Battle of Mogadishu. It was a disaster because we lost 20 guys, but we killed 1000. Modern warfare is a lot better than not-so-modern warfare with carpet bombing and not much regard for civilian casualties. It doesn't help when your opponent makes no attempt to separate itself from the civilians.

The blood of the civilian casualties is on the hands of the side that picked the fight.