If America's professional military were done away with...

upsciLLion

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I am not referring to a Montana style separatist militia. This would be a stritctly volunteer training service to your country to provide for national defense on US soil.

I know I would, but only if I got to play war games with Platypus in the barracks after hours. :eek:
 

Ika

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Yes, but I'd want to have fun too. If it was all work and no play, no way.
 

nakedfrog

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Originally posted by: upsciLLion
I am not referring to a Montana style separatist militia. This would be a stritctly volunteer training service to your country to provide for national defense on US soil.

I know I would, but only if I got to play war games with Platypus in the barracks after hours. :eek:

Not on my watch, son. Unless you know how to share.
 

EXman

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sure if there were no bans on shooting teasonous liberal media types! :)
 

upsciLLion

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Originally posted by: Aflac
Yes, but I'd want to have fun too. If it was all work and no play, no way.

It would involve training from time to time, and combat service but only in times of national defense.
 

Ulfhednar

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Originally posted by: upsciLLion
Originally posted by: jemcam
WTF are you talking about?

Going back to the original military organization specified in the US Constitution.
Nothing short of a nuclear holocaust on U.S. soil would cause that to happen, a modern international government cannot function without an organised and professional military.
 

jemcam

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Originally posted by: upsciLLion
Originally posted by: jemcam
WTF are you talking about?

Going back to the original military organization specified in the US Constitution.


Oh, a citizen-soldier concept? We call that the National Guard where I'm from.
 

upsciLLion

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Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: upsciLLion
I am not referring to a Montana style separatist militia. This would be a stritctly volunteer training service to your country to provide for national defense on US soil.

I know I would, but only if I got to play war games with Platypus in the barracks after hours. :eek:

Not on my watch, son. Unless you know how to share.

All right, but I get to be the US, Platy the Ruskis, and you the Kraut. He and I each bumrush Berlin at the same time.
 

nakedfrog

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Originally posted by: upsciLLion
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: upsciLLion
I am not referring to a Montana style separatist militia. This would be a stritctly volunteer training service to your country to provide for national defense on US soil.

I know I would, but only if I got to play war games with Platypus in the barracks after hours. :eek:

Not on my watch, son. Unless you know how to share.

All right, but I get to be the US, Platy the Ruskis, and you the Kraut. He and I each bumrush Berlin at the same time.

Hot dog, I love strategery!
 

upsciLLion

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Originally posted by: Ulfhednar
Originally posted by: upsciLLion
Originally posted by: jemcam
WTF are you talking about?

Going back to the original military organization specified in the US Constitution.
Nothing short of a nuclear holocaust on U.S. soil would cause that to happen, a modern international government cannot function without an organised and professional military.

How do you figure? The reason Gen. Yamamoto didn't invade mainland America during WWII is because (and I paraphrase), "There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."
 

Golgatha

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Originally posted by: upsciLLion
Originally posted by: Ulfhednar
Originally posted by: upsciLLion
Originally posted by: jemcam
WTF are you talking about?

Going back to the original military organization specified in the US Constitution.
Nothing short of a nuclear holocaust on U.S. soil would cause that to happen, a modern international government cannot function without an organised and professional military.

How do you figure? The reason Gen. Yamamoto didn't invade mainland America during WWII is because (and I paraphrase), "There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."

That's what makes Missouri a great state to live in. From every direction the invaders would have to make their way here and it would be the last stronghold. We have lots of hunters who are excellent marksmen and plenty of forests to hide in. Guerilla warfare FTW :).
 

upsciLLion

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Originally posted by: Golgatha
That's what makes Missouri a great state to live in. From every direction the invaders would have to make their way here and it would be the last stronghold. We have lots of hunters who are excellent marksmen and plenty of forests to hide in. Guerilla warfare FTW :).

That's what should make every state great to live in. Americans have shrugged off so much of their duty that we now pay someone else to do it for us. Now that so much of the National Guard has been shipped over-seas, who's here to protect the mainland? Obviously that's an over-exaggeration, but my point is that by having a militia, it could be called up in a time of crisis such as for the purpose of defending against an invader.

Edit: Poll added!
 

jemcam

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Originally posted by: upsciLLion
Originally posted by: Golgatha
That's what makes Missouri a great state to live in. From every direction the invaders would have to make their way here and it would be the last stronghold. We have lots of hunters who are excellent marksmen and plenty of forests to hide in. Guerilla warfare FTW :).

That's what should make every state great to live in. Americans have shrugged off so much of their duty that we now pay someone else to do it for us. Now that so much of the National Guard has been shipped over-seas, who's here to protect the mainland? Obviously that's an over-exaggeration, but my point is that by having a militia, it could be called up in a time of crisis such as for the purpose of defending against an invader.

Edit: Poll added!

Obviously that's an over-exaggeration

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I answered Maybe because I served in the US Army for 15 years and wouldn't join such an outfit unless they were run professionally, well equipped, and well trained. If it was a bunch of guys that think they only need a weapon and camoflage to fight and win, then no.
 

upsciLLion

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Originally posted by: jemcam
I answered Maybe because I served in the US Army for 15 years and wouldn't join such an outfit unless they were run professionally, well equipped, and well trained. If it was a bunch of guys that think they only need a weapon and camoflage to fight and win, then no.

I would certainly want it to be. It would depend upon whether individuals talented enough to make it so volunteered their time to do so. When I used the term professional miliatary, I meant that in the sense that owns you and pays you. In the current situation if someone is scheduled to be deployed for a war/invasion/occupancy (whatever), they're screwed because they enlisted. If they resist, legal action is brought against them.

I asked this question because I've been pondering the ways we could move away from a military industrial complex situation that we currently have, but one that would still be effective and, more importantly, far more beneficial for the American people. I was hoping to start a meaningful discussion about this, so if anyone has other ideas they'd like to discuss please bring them to the table.
 

jemcam

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In the current situation if someone is scheduled to be deployed for a war/invasion/occupancy (whatever), they're screwed because they enlisted. If they resist, legal action is brought against them.

I'm assuming you've never been in the military. When you enlist, you volunteer knowing and expecting you could be deployed. It is your duty to comply and if you don't want to be deployed because you object to the idealism of that conflict, you're a pacificist, etc., you deserve to be court martialed and separated from the service.

I fail to understand why people get in the military and then protest when they are deployed. Why would you get any job and then complain to your boss and/or company when you're asked to do what you're trained to do? Makes no sense to me.

That being said, there are always ways to get out of the military. The easiest and fastest way to get out is to simply start smoking pot. The next piss test will detect it and you'll be out so fast your head will spin. And it does NOT mean an automatic Dishonorable Discharge. I was the Battery Commander of 4 different Artillery units in the US Army and not one of the many separations that I processed as a Commander was dishonorable. ***Before anyone tries to start a debate on drug use and it's merits, as a Commander I had NO option and there was not an appeals process. My hands were tied, my only option was to separate the individual from the Army and find someone to replace him. I did have to separate some guys that I knew and liked very well and I hated to see them go, but again, my hands were tied.

I tried very hard to get a Dishonorable Discharge for one dirtbag who had been nothing but a pain in the ass and I had personally given several Article 15's for being AWOL, late for formation, and general trouble making. He did not deserve an Honorable Discharge. I spoke to our Battalion Personnel Officer and Battalion Commander about getting a Dishonorable for this guy and they told me there was no way to do it unless he had committed the equivalent of a felony.

The best I could do was give him a General Discharge under Honorable conditions. Hopefully someone in that guy's future will ask him why he didn't get an Honorable Discharge.
 

LordMorpheus

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Originally posted by: Wapp
I would prefer the military organization of Sparta.

i sincerely doubt that this is true.

It had it's nice features, but when you take every full class male citizen and make them a full time soldier, what would happen to the country?

They were badasses, true, but they can keep their organization, I'm happy with the way we do things here.
 

skace

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You guys are stuck in the past. Soon we will have robot defenders. Like the transformers.
 

DainBramaged

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Originally posted by: upsciLLion
I am not referring to a Montana style separatist militia. This would be a stritctly volunteer training service to your country to provide for national defense on US soil.

I know I would, but only if I got to play war games with Platypus in the barracks after hours. :eek:

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