Until we have technology that can successfully transplant a zygote into some other non human uterus type device and bring the child to term, the man has, will continue to (barring any supreme court changes), and SHOULD continue to have no say in this matter.
Specop 007
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Originally posted by: crystal
And she has the right to ties up his wage for the next 18 years.
Exactly. Thats why this issue pisses me off so much.
You think having a baby is oh-so-life changing? Well losing 50% of your income aint no walk in the park.
Its so completely unfair that a woman has all the say in the issue and the man has none.
BoomerD
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IMO, for the simple reason that the man doesn't have to be pregnant, or suffer thru childbirth.
Women have all the rights here, because it's their bodies...
Men should have NO say in abortion, (except for married couples discussing having an abortion)
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: crystal
And she has the right to ties up his wage for the next 18 years.
Exactly. Thats why this issue pisses me off so much.
You think having a baby is oh-so-life changing? Well losing 50% of your income aint no walk in the park.
Its so completely unfair that a woman has all the say in the issue and the man has none.
You're a man, you have to pay for your wife and kids, its your reason for existence.
The post was completely void of value and, more importantly, thought. 99% of the people I've met who take the overly simplistic stance of "it's her choice and it should be" are speaking from a total lack of perspective and experience.
There's no need for him to reiterate whats been said by others already. I was going to post something more lengthy myself, but most of it has already been said in one form or another.
OS
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Originally posted by: Vic
Well, prior to that, you had the right to bring balloons to the party!Originally posted by: crystal
And she has the right to ties up his wage for the next 18 years.
this is obviously harder to prove, but i was reading some articles/stories where women lied to the men about being on the pill and then when they got pregnant, they wanted to keep it.
Leros
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Here is the problem.
If the woman wants the kid, but the man wants an abortion, the man has to pay child support for the kid even though he does not want the kid. The man gets no choice, but has to pay.
Now, if the woman wants to abort the child, but the man wants to keep the child (and offers to single handidly pay and raise for it) he has no choice.
This is not equal at all. The woman is given more power in a situation where they both have equal responsibilty for the conception of the child.
If the woman wants the kid, but the man wants an abortion, the man has to pay child support for the kid even though he does not want the kid. The man gets no choice, but has to pay.
Now, if the woman wants to abort the child, but the man wants to keep the child (and offers to single handidly pay and raise for it) he has no choice.
This is not equal at all. The woman is given more power in a situation where they both have equal responsibilty for the conception of the child.
Vic
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Originally posted by: OS
Originally posted by: Vic
Well, prior to that, you had the right to bring balloons to the party!Originally posted by: crystal
And she has the right to ties up his wage for the next 18 years.
this is obviously harder to prove, but i was reading some articles/stories where women lied to the men about being on the pill and then when they got pregnant, they wanted to keep it.
Don't jump without a parachute.
He made the choice when he shot it in her. Being that it grows up inside HER body, she rightfully has the choice during the pregnancy.
It's not equal, but neither is it equal when a woman is always the one carrying the baby.
It is her choice just the same as it was his choice to get someone pregnant that obviously has a different view on life than he does! I don't agree that she is making the right choice but maybe he should have thought about that before getting involved with her. There are somethings that should be established early in a relationship.
mugs
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It's absurd to say that a woman should be forced to carry a child to term if she does not want to.
A better topic of discussion would be why a man is not allowed to abdicate his parental responsibilities (including financial responsibilities) early in the pregnancy when the woman is capable of making a decision to keep the child based on that.
BoomerD
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yeah, life's unfair...in a lot of ways. However, until they figure out a way for a man to carry a child from conception to birth, this remains the woman's choice...don't like it? keep your d!ck in your pants...
We men have NO say in what a woman does to/with her body...
Which is why we don't hold a gun to their heads to have sex.
I do, however, agree with you on the latter point.
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