If 5 more states legalize marijuana, will the US fall off a cliff?

[Ns1]

How will the federal government reconcile some 8 states (including the 6th largest economy in the world) + the district of columbia + dozens of states with MMJ laws, and the government's continual schedule 1 classification?

It looks very, very, very likely that CA will get it right this time. And unlike some other states, it includes a provision for personal growing.

On an off topic note, I had just discovered an acquaintance of mine with strong pharmaceutical industry background + deep, deep, deep pockets, has gone all in on MMJ in Nevada. It's really crazy how far the industry has come in a relatively short amount of time.

A new statewide poll shows 58% of likely voters support Proposition 64 and 37% oppose it. The number who said they don’t know how they will vote dropped from 8% last month to 4% in the USC Dornsife/Los Angeles Times poll released this week.

Next week’s decision comes six years after a similar initiative was rejected by 53.5% of California’s voters.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-...ornia-proposition-64-poll-20161102-story.html

 

[agent00f]

It's going to be one of those issues that'll ride a wave of support like gay rights, and a centrist like clinton is going to yield sooner or later.

The times are a changing fast; not the best moment to be conservative.

 

[Moonbeam]

It's going to be one of those issues that'll ride a wave of support like gay rights, and a centrist like clinton is going to yield sooner or later.

The times are a changing fast; not the best moment to be conservative.

It is a very complicated issue and not every liberal is for legalization. The number of babies born in Colorado with THC in their blood is rising since legalization and I don't think that's probably a bad thing.

 

[agent00f]

It is a very complicated issue and not every liberal is for legalization. The number of babies born in Colorado with THC in their blood is rising since legalization and I don't think that's probably a bad thing.

The reality though is it keeps winning on these ballots, if not entirely from leftist votes then also support from a lot of moderates who don't see the value of throwing people in prison for it.

I'm not making any judgment on the substance, just that it feels like a matter of sooner rather than later.

 

[theeedude]

I voted for it. Not a big fan of pot, but I don't think people should be in jail for consuming it.

 

[TallBill]

Yeah huge waste of money and effort policing weed, even if you think it is bad.

 

[Wuzup101]

Yeah huge waste of money and effort policing weed, even if you think it is bad.

Agreed. I honestly don't know why this is taking so long...

 

[Jhhnn]

It's going to be one of those issues that'll ride a wave of support like gay rights, and a centrist like clinton is going to yield sooner or later.

The times are a changing fast; not the best moment to be conservative.

It's a healing opportunity for America. We have plenty of things that divide us but cannabis use cuts across all all social & geographical barriers. Cannabis users come from all walks of life & are otherwise as hard working & law abiding as everybody else. It's as American as Mom & apple pie.

Humans have used cannabis for thousands of years. It's been widespread in this country since the 60's. If there were significant harm in it, we'd already know. As it is, the naysayers have switched from reefer madness to "might", "may", "could" & "we have no fucking clue" as just cause for putting people in jail & needlessly endangering the community with armed swat raids. In some jurisdictions, I'm sure they'll milk the last bit of misery possible out of doing that, sad to say.

Prohibition always was stupid & it's even more stupid today when legalization has already shown itself to be superior public policy.

 

[BoomerD]

Yeah, I don't smoke the stuff...don't like it...but I've supported legalizing and taxing it like alcohol or cigarettes (both of which, IMO, are bigger problems than pot) for a couple of decades.

I also support the right of employers to have a "drug free workplace" and to test for drugs they so choose...

 

[MongGrel]

I voted for it for medicinal use in Florida, even though I have not taken a hit even at a party in over 20 years.

I used to partake a bit in the 70s and early 80s, maybe more than a bit

I have never seen it being any worst than alcohol personally.

Of course you would not want someone coming into work stoned, but it would be like someone showing up drunk, it would be pretty obvious.

 

[TallBill]

Legalizing and taxing it is fine, but legalizing it in order to tax it is awful. Colorado likes to tout high much of their weed tax goes towards education while they are in the bottom 10 states on spending per student.

 

[IronWing]

I'm good with legalization but it has to come with enforcement of public smoking bans. I don't want to have to fight the tobacco wars all over again with pot.

 

[sandorski]

Going to cause an Energy crisis as Corn switches from Ethanol production to Doritos production.

 

[TallBill]

I'm good with legalization but it has to come with enforcement of public smoking bans. I don't want to have to fight the tobacco wars all over again with pot.

Got into a big argument over this at a Mariner's game. Guy next to me was smoking. I didn't care, but mom with child in row behind him asked him to stop. He told her to fuck off and then threatened to fight me when I informed him that it was indeed illegal to smoke there. Pretty sure he got arrested lol.

 

[soulcougher73]

I'm for freedom, so bring it on

 

[MongGrel]

Got into a big argument over this at a Mariner's game. Guy next to me was smoking. I didn't care, but mom with child in row behind him asked him to stop. He told her to fuck off and then threatened to fight me when I informed him that it was indeed illegal to smoke there. Pretty sure he got arrested lol.

He probably wasn't supposed to even smoke a cigarette there to begin with, so like IronWing said it's not even a pot issue.

 

[Starbuck1975]

It's a healing opportunity for America. We have plenty of things that divide us but cannabis use cuts across all all social & geographical barriers. Cannabis users come from all walks of life & are otherwise as hard working & law abiding as everybody else. It's as American as Mom & apple pie.

Humans have used cannabis for thousands of years. It's been widespread in this country since the 60's. If there were significant harm in it, we'd already know. As it is, the naysayers have switched from reefer madness to "might", "may", "could" & "we have no fucking clue" as just cause for putting people in jail & needlessly endangering the community with armed swat raids. In some jurisdictions, I'm sure they'll milk the last bit of misery possible out of doing that, sad to say.

Prohibition always was stupid & it's even more stupid today when legalization has already shown itself to be superior public policy.

Now the paranoia makes perfect sense

 

[Moonbeam]

I've heard it has a bad side effect but I can't offhand remember what..

 

[TallBill]

He probably wasn't supposed to even smoke a cigarette there to begin with, so like IronWing said it's not even a pot issue.

Yeah I'd assume that most places roll both into the same statute?

 

[MongGrel]

Now the paranoia makes perfect sense

Pot in the far past has rarely made me paranoid, but it affects people in different ways like alcohol.

 

[Jhhnn]

Yeah, I don't smoke the stuff...don't like it...but I've supported legalizing and taxing it like alcohol or cigarettes (both of which, IMO, are bigger problems than pot) for a couple of decades.

I also support the right of employers to have a "drug free workplace" and to test for drugs they so choose...

Few people understand that urine testing for cannabis doesn't indicate intoxication but rather recent use. It tests for THC-COOH, a non-psychoactive metabolite that lingers in the human body. The test is useless other than as back door law enforcement.

 

[Chaotic42]

I've never used it and have no desire to use it, but if alcohol is going to be legal, it seems wrong for marijuana to be illegal. Allow or deny them both.

 

[MongGrel]

Few people understand that urine testing for cannabis doesn't indicate intoxication but rather recent use. It tests for THC-COOH, a non-psychoactive metabolite that lingers in the human body. The test is useless other than as back door law enforcement.

True.

But I'm pretty sure if cannabis was as legal as alcohol nationally, it would not be too hard for a test for active levels along the same lines.

I'm not even arguing for legalizing it, but a blood test is already mandatory for a lot of things that would determine that with no problem I imagine.

 

[JSt0rm]

Yeah huge waste of money and effort policing weed, even if you think it is bad.

why do you hate jobs?

 

[Jhhnn]

True.

But I'm pretty sure if cannabis was as legal as alcohol nationally, it would not be too hard for a test for active levels along the same lines.

I'm not even arguing for legalizing it, but a blood test is already mandatory for a lot of things that would determine that with no problem I imagine.

Testing has to be non-invasive for people to accept it as terms of employment.