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IE7 to be distributed via Automatic Updates!

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IE7 to be distributed via Automatic Updates!

"As we get close to the final availability of Internet Explorer 7, I want to provide an update on our distribution plans. To help our customers become more secure and up-to-date, we will distribute IE7 as a high-priority update via Automatic Updates (AU) shortly after the final version is released for Windows XP, planned for the fourth quarter of this year."
 
The only problem with that is if you are on a slow speed intenet connection
instead of dsl or cable ... also SP2 must be installed or IE7 will not install
 
the question is: will they release it as a stand alone install, for network / corporate type environments.. ala aka, SP2 style??

Or , are they truely going to force IE7 on Window's users?
 
Or , are they truely going to force IE7 on Window's users?
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No. Users will be able to opt out. Just click no when you get prompted.

Admins will also be able to block deployment of IE7, ala XP SP2. Except in IE7's case, the block will not have an expiration date like SP2 did. So you can block it indefinitely.
 
Is this a bad thing? I would think leaving IE6 out there would present a greater problem. As I understand IE7 is supposed to be shaping up nice, and FINALLY taking a few pointers from the competition such as tabbed browsing, etc.
Let us hope for the majority of computer users that it will be much more secure. G'luck IE 😉
 
Originally posted by: jlbenedict
the question is: will they release it as a stand alone install, for network / corporate type environments.. ala aka, SP2 style??

Or , are they truely going to force IE7 on Window's users?
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I would hope in a corp envirornment that they have updates controlled through WSUS or SMS, not from the clients.

 
Originally posted by: bruceb
The only problem with that is if you are on a slow speed intenet connection
instead of dsl or cable ... also SP2 must be installed or IE7 will not install
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That's one of the big advantage of the AU client. It downloads in the background over time using BITS so shouldnt even be an issue for those with slow connections (they just wont be able to install for a while).

And if you arent already running SP2 you should go get it.
 
Originally posted by: spyordie007
Originally posted by: bruceb
The only problem with that is if you are on a slow speed intenet connection
instead of dsl or cable ... also SP2 must be installed or IE7 will not install
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That's one of the big advantage of the AU client. It downloads in the background over time using BITS so shouldnt even be an issue for those with slow connections (they just wont be able to install for a while).

And if you arent already running SP2 you should go get it.
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And, why is that? I don't understand why people still use IE at all. I would love to have that explained to me.
 
Originally posted by: TonyRic
And, why is that? I don't understand why people still use IE at all. I would love to have that explained to me.
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Well, for one thing, it's quite commonly used by the masses, so if nothing else they're familiar with the layout and what to expect.

Another reason is tech support; should I need to contact Microsoft for tech support, having one less software provider involved in the mix makes diagnosis that much easier.

Lastly, in the environment that I support which happens to be at the enterprise level, the security and permissions that we have to provide via Group Policy and such is much easier to implement using the software provided by Microsoft, as opposed to kludging something together to work with Firefox/Netscape/whatever other 3rd party software.


 
And, why is that? I don't understand why people still use IE at all. I would love to have that explained to me.
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many... and I mean MANY of our client sites are IE only... hell even McAfee's admin site is IE only.

 
I think it could cause a few problems, but not like people think.

Personally, I'm glad they're doing it as a webdev because then I can forget about the pisspoor mockup of a browser that is IE6. Of course, I'm cynical and anticipate more CSS blunders that are going to require arcane workarounds as they get rid of the old ones.

I just used it for the first time yesterday on Linux via VMWare to test code. It's really quite awful looking -- they've redone the interface to the point where I doubt people will know they're using the "e" when it loads. But, if there's the least bit of improvement for CSS, I'll be slightly grateful. However, being a Firefox user since 0.8 (when it first got the name Firefox) and I find IE7 as backwater as IE6 in terms of features and usability as a browser.
 
Originally posted by: P0ldy
I just used it for the first time yesterday on Linux via VMWare to test code. It's really quite awful looking -- they've redone the interface to the point where I doubt people will know they're using the "e" when it loads. But, if there's the least bit of improvement for CSS, I'll be slightly grateful. However, being a Firefox user since 0.8 (when it first got the name Firefox) and I find IE7 as backwater as IE6 in terms of features and usability as a browser.
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Oh well. At least it will be more CSS/standards compliant. Hopefully. I'm sure for some odd reason half of the world will still be using IE6 in a couple years. I can just see it. IE6 will never fall.
 
Originally posted by: bruceb
The only problem with that is if you are on a slow speed intenet connection
instead of dsl or cable ... also SP2 must be installed or IE7 will not install
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Seeing as MS is getting ready to drop SP1 updates entirely (or have they already?), is that actually any sort of a surprise?
 
Originally posted by: Homerboy
And, why is that? I don't understand why people still use IE at all. I would love to have that explained to me.
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many... and I mean MANY of our client sites are IE only... hell even McAfee's admin site is IE only.
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yep, it's still widely used
 
Originally posted by: stash
Or , are they truely going to force IE7 on Window's users?
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No. Users will be able to opt out. Just click no when you get prompted.
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Ah, because as we all know, users are so very attentive and make sure that they know what they're doing when they hit the OK button. And Microsoft will be very sure to make it clear and obvious that it's optional, and make the button labels intuitive. And they'll make it extra clear to users that it's going to completely transform the way they use the browser and may be confusing for people.

IE7 still looks like crap, I won't touch it as long as I can't move the toolbars to NORMAL positions with all the buttons together. Essentially I want the IE6 interface, with the security and standards-compliance of IE7, which of course they could have easily done with IE6 but they were so concerned about Firefox taking away that oh-so-lucrative free browser market that they decided everything had to be changed whether it was broken or not, and whether the changes made sense or not.

I have always been perfectly happy with IE6, and I'll continue to use it as long as I can. I don't give a rat's ass about standards compliance, as a user I just care about whether websites work, and whaddyaknow, for the most part they all work perfectly fine for me, so blame developers for giving in to MS, don't blame the users who keep using what works. I dislike Firefox's interface, which I just can't make LOOK attractive to me no matter what I try, I've hated every version of Opera I've tried almost instantly. And yes I disliked Netscape back in the day.

 
Ah, because as we all know, users are so very attentive and make sure that they know what they're doing when they hit the OK button. And Microsoft will be very sure to make it clear and obvious that it's optional, and make the button labels intuitive. And they'll make it extra clear to users that it's going to completely transform the way they use the browser and may be confusing for people.
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Uhhhhmm...RTFA?

There's a nice big picture of what the user will be presented with. A dialog with three big buttons: 'install', 'don't install', and 'ask me later'

Wow, that's really confusing.
 
Originally posted by: stashThere's a nice big picture of what the user will be presented with. A dialog with three big buttons: 'install', 'don't install', and 'ask me later'

Wow, that's really confusing.
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I see your point, but unfortunately, many environments are made up mostly of people that will see those choices and, rather than click on one of them, will immediately call up the IT Help Desk to ask what to do. This kind of thing happens time and time again, no matter how much training and support you provide.

And that's why admins such as myself will continue to disable automatic updates, so that we can test the updates first in a lab environment to make sure they're not going to blow something up, and then use WSUS to deploy them in batches as appropriate. 😉


 
I see your point, but unfortunately, many environments are made up mostly of people that will see those choices and, rather than click on one of them, will immediately call up the IT Help Desk to ask what to do. This kind of thing happens time and time again, no matter how much training and support you provide.
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That's why there will be a blocking tool that admins can deploy. Or use WSUS (or SMS, or whatever) and block users from WU/AU like you mentioned.

I think it was pretty clear that I, along with the article, was referring to home users. If there are business networks where users are allowed to download and install updates from MS on their own, they have much bigger problems.
 
People certainly find interesting things to criticize microsoft for. Imagine the nerve, using their update tools to conveniently deliver increased security and functionality! I say we start a boycott and if they make it any harder to stay with the old stuff, start a lawsuit.
 
Been using IE7 not since last week. I have it all customized so I notice hardly any difference between it and my IE6 and my Firefox. IE7 looks like a winner. It loads faster, is more responsive, and when you learn how to configure it exactly like you want - it is very smooth.

When I open Firefox, IE6 or IE7, I really have to look at the title bar to tell what is running. 🙂

The update concept is AOK and will work for most users.
 
Originally posted by: spyordie007
Originally posted by: bruceb
The only problem with that is if you are on a slow speed intenet connection
instead of dsl or cable ... also SP2 must be installed or IE7 will not install
Click to expand...
That's one of the big advantage of the AU client. It downloads in the background over time using BITS so shouldnt even be an issue for those with slow connections (they just wont be able to install for a while).

And if you arent already running SP2 you should go get it.
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One BIG disadvantage I have run into is that svchost.exe goes nuts when doing so. On multiple computers the CPU usage might stick at 100% a while until the updates are done downloading.
 
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