Idiot Alert! (Me)

Jman13

Senior member
Apr 9, 2001
811
0
76
So I got my new GTX460 two days ago, and I used the Molex to 6-pin connectors for the two 6-pin power connections on the card. My power supply is modular and I didn't need them when I first put it in this case, and now I can't find where I put the extra PSU cables.

Anyway, card ran fine, I even overclocked it quite well and it's been running wonderfully through benchmark after benchmark and about 2 hours of Modern Warfare 3 over the past two days.

Then today, I was looking at the EVGA site and realized that those two molex connectors were BOTH for each 6-pin adapter...and I had simply assumed they were a pass-through like a fan adapter.

So, I have been running for two days with only 3 of the 6 pins providing power to the card in each of the 6-pin ports.

Of course, now I have shut the machine down and properly connected them.

Two questions.
1) Did I hurt my card...I'm doubting that I did, since it ran completely stably, even overclocked, through hours of benchmarks and gaming, without a single lockup.

2) Why did it run just fine? I'm assuming that there are two ports because it requires more power than a single one can put out....but apparently that's not the case. My educated guess (I'm an electrical engineer, though not an electronics engineer) is that I had connected the top pins on the one connector and the bottom pins on the other, therefore providing the right inputs to the card, but at a reduced maximum power. It is also my guess that it was pulling more current on each of the two connectors than is advisable for long term use. Enough to power the card, but likely somewhat exceeding the rated current for the conductors (though I don't know how much current these ports draw, nor the AWG of the wires, though they look like they're probably 14-16AWG.)
 

LoneNinja

Senior member
Jan 5, 2009
825
0
0
I'm slightly confused as well, but it sounds like you simply had less power connected than you should have, which wouldn't cause harm to the GPU.
 

Jman13

Senior member
Apr 9, 2001
811
0
76
My card takes two PCIe 6-pin connectors. Since I have misplaced the six pin leads from my modular PSU, I needed to use the supplied Molex to 6-pin adapters. They look like this:

molex_pci-e.jpg


I assumed that it was a pass-through, much like is present on tons of fans (i.e., connect one molex, plug in the six pin, and the other molex connector is there to use on another device.) I didn't look closely enough to see that the two molex connectors each have three wires go to individual pins. This adapter requires TWO molex connections from the power supply to power the 6-pin PCI-e connection. And my card requires two 6-pin PCI-e connections, for a total of 4 Molex connections into the card.
 

janas19

Platinum Member
Nov 10, 2011
2,313
1
0
My card takes two PCIe 6-pin connectors. Since I have misplaced the six pin leads from my modular PSU, I needed to use the supplied Molex to 6-pin adapters. They look like this:

molex_pci-e.jpg


I assumed that it was a pass-through, much like is present on tons of fans (i.e., connect one molex, plug in the six pin, and the other molex connector is there to use on another device.) I didn't look closely enough to see that the two molex connectors each have three wires go to individual pins. This adapter requires TWO molex connections from the power supply to power the 6-pin PCI-e connection. And my card requires two 6-pin PCI-e connections, for a total of 4 Molex connections into the card.

Lol wtf

Where else would you get the three other pins from?

Seriously, you weren't thinking on that one. But the good news is, you most likely did not do any damage to your card.
 

LoneNinja

Senior member
Jan 5, 2009
825
0
0
Alright now I understand what you did, and I'll say with confidence you shouldn't have caused any damage to your video card.
 

Jman13

Senior member
Apr 9, 2001
811
0
76
Lol wtf

Where else would you get the three other pins from?

Seriously, you weren't thinking on that one. But the good news is, you most likely did not do any damage to your card.

You are right that I wasn't thinking, but if the current is allowable, there is obviously a way for the other three pins to be split inside the adapter...just have the line hit a single conductor that feeds both pins of the same voltage...I mean, that's essentially what's happening here anyway.

The 6-pin PCI-E connector takes 12V and ground...and the three leads pulled are +12V, ground, ground...so I was running on two 12V lines instead of four. Not advisable, certainly...if the GTX460 pulls close to the PCI-e max, I probably would have melted the 12V wire, but luckily it appears to be fine....I'm hoping that it didn't start to melt insulation and that at some point in the future I end up frying my computer, but I've inspected all the wires and they look perfect, so I think it all looks good right now. But, yikes...close one!
 
Last edited:

Jman13

Senior member
Apr 9, 2001
811
0
76
After poking around, I have discovered that my card pulls 160W max. Since I've overclocked a bit, let's assume 175W. Since the PCI-E slot provides 75W of power, that means each 6-pin needs to pull 50W at 100% load. The 4-pin Molex connector is rated for 60W, so I am good, as long as the lines I was using weren't pulling more than 10W. HDDs pull about 6W. The one connector hit the video card, one hard drive, and my BD-R drive (which was never in use when the video card was at load). So, max I was pulling on the one connector was about 56-57W, and that's if my video card was truly operating at 100% load. The other connector has two fans on it, so maybe 4-5W on those.

So, it looks like I was (barely) in spec anyway, but still...don't recommend.

And now I literally just now found my modular plugs for my power supply, so I'm off to shut down the machine and run 6-pin to 6-pin like it's supposed to be. :)
 
Last edited: