IDF Officer Removed for Refusing Air Strike to protect Innocent Palestinians

[justint]

From Haaretz

 

[Analog]

Interesting, an Israeli that goes against commands is removed from duty. A Palistinian, on the other hand, who disobeys gets hanged in public. Sounds equitable, doesn't it?

 

[justint]

Originally posted by: yellowfiero
Interesting, an Israeli that goes against commands is removed from duty. A Palistinian, on the other hand, who disobeys gets hanged in public. Sounds equitable, doesn't it?

That's a little different. This officer simply refused to obey an order. Inaction, not providing information to the enemy. The Palestinians who are hanged are rightly or not being accused of conspiring with the enemey (Israel). Thier is a reason why treason is a death penatly offense in the US. You don't see many IDF officers doing that, although there is also a reason why most of the weapons used by Palestinian gunmen are M-16's. They come straight from Israeli armories sold by soldiers to the Palestinians to be used against other Israelis. Anyone who does that should be hanged IMHO.

 

[Analog]

Originally posted by: justint

Originally posted by: yellowfiero
Interesting, an Israeli that goes against commands is removed from duty. A Palistinian, on the other hand, who disobeys gets hanged in public. Sounds equitable, doesn't it?

That's a little different. This officer simply refused to obey an order. Inaction, not providing information to the enemy. The Palestinians who are hanged are rightly or not being accused of conspiring with the enemey (Israel). Thier is a reason why treason is a death penatly offense in the US. You don't see many IDF officers doing that, although there is also a reason why most of the weapons used by Palestinian gunmen are M-16's. They come straight from Israeli armories sold by soldiers to the Palestinians to be used against other Israelis. Anyone who does that should be hanged IMHO.

yes, treason is treason, but how is it done? Mob rule?

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: yellowfiero
Interesting, an Israeli that goes against commands is removed from duty. A Palistinian, on the other hand, who disobeys gets hanged in public. Sounds equitable, doesn't it?

Even if that was the case... two wrongs does not make a right...

 

[Bulk Beef]

I think just about any army in the world would remove an officer for refusing an order.

 

[justint]

Originally posted by: yellowfiero

Originally posted by: justint

Originally posted by: yellowfiero
Interesting, an Israeli that goes against commands is removed from duty. A Palistinian, on the other hand, who disobeys gets hanged in public. Sounds equitable, doesn't it?

That's a little different. This officer simply refused to obey an order. Inaction, not providing information to the enemy. The Palestinians who are hanged are rightly or not being accused of conspiring with the enemey (Israel). Thier is a reason why treason is a death penatly offense in the US. You don't see many IDF officers doing that, although there is also a reason why most of the weapons used by Palestinian gunmen are M-16's. They come straight from Israeli armories sold by soldiers to the Palestinians to be used against other Israelis. Anyone who does that should be hanged IMHO.

yes, treason is treason, but how is it done? Mob rule?

No, sometimes the PA has a trial in the morning, and the person is convicted and executed later that day. The PA has been pretty muched wiped out in some places though so even those minor formalities are skipped in the refugee camps for example.

 

[B00ne]

No when I was in the Army I was instructed that if I must not obey any order that involves inhuman actions. So basically if this officer was in the german army he would be applauded and his superiors prosecuted for giving the order to kill civilians.

 

[Analog]

Originally posted by: B00ne
No when I was in the Army I was instructed that if I must not obey any order that involves inhuman actions. So basically if this officer was in the german army he would be applauded and his superiors prosecuted for giving the order to kill civilians.

i assume you mean post nazi germany.

 

[justint]

Originally posted by: B00ne
No when I was in the Army I was instructed that if I must not obey any order that involves inhuman actions. So basically if this officer was in the german army he would be applauded and his superiors prosecuted for giving the order to kill civilians.

Exactly. You have a duty to disobey an illegal or immoral order. That was the whole premise of the Nuremberg trials.

 

[Bulk Beef]

Originally posted by: justint

Originally posted by: B00ne
No when I was in the Army I was instructed that if I must not obey any order that involves inhuman actions. So basically if this officer was in the german army he would be applauded and his superiors prosecuted for giving the order to kill civilians.

Exactly. You have a duty to disobey an illegal or immoral order. That was the whole premise of the Nuremberg trials.

Point well taken, but neither you nor I can say if this is comparable to a Wehrmacht lieutenant refusing to mow down a bunch of gypsies in a mass grave.

 

[B00ne]

Originally posted by: yellowfiero

Originally posted by: B00ne
No when I was in the Army I was instructed that if I must not obey any order that involves inhuman actions. So basically if this officer was in the german army he would be applauded and his superiors prosecuted for giving the order to kill civilians.

i assume you mean post nazi germany.

duh' I am 28 what do u think - so actually even post division germany

 

[Analog]

Originally posted by: B00ne

Originally posted by: yellowfiero

Originally posted by: B00ne
No when I was in the Army I was instructed that if I must not obey any order that involves inhuman actions. So basically if this officer was in the german army he would be applauded and his superiors prosecuted for giving the order to kill civilians.

i assume you mean post nazi germany.

duh' I am 28 what do u think - so actually even post division germany

how was I supposed to know you're 28?

 

[B00ne]

maybe because not many 90 year olds visit ATOT?

I didnt mean to inpolite I just thaught that was an obvious assumption....

 

[justint]

Originally posted by: sward666

Originally posted by: justint

Originally posted by: B00ne
No when I was in the Army I was instructed that if I must not obey any order that involves inhuman actions. So basically if this officer was in the german army he would be applauded and his superiors prosecuted for giving the order to kill civilians.

Exactly. You have a duty to disobey an illegal or immoral order. That was the whole premise of the Nuremberg trials.

Point well taken, but neither you nor I can say if this is comparable to a Wehrmacht lieutenant refusing to mow down a bunch of gypsies in a mass grave.

No it hasn't come to that yet at least, but for an intelligence officer in the IDF to refuse to provide his information for an airstrike must indicate that he thought the proposed operations were immoral or reckless in terms of civillian lives. Reckless disregard for civillians is just as bad as deliberate killing of civillians particularly when you are talking about a real professional military such as the IDF.