Identifying Athlon XP Thoroughbred B

Gronich

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I am trying to by a Thoroughbred B.

Because we currently have: T'Bred A, T'Bred B and Palomino chips for sale this is not easy.

I was hoping if somebody could help me identify which of the above is which from the manufacturers part numbers?

I compiled a short list of MPNs:

XP1700 AXDA1700DUT3C T'Bred
XP1800 AXDA1800DLT3C T'Bred
XP2000 AXDA2000DKT3C T'Bred
XP2100 AXDA2100DUT3C T'Bred
XP2200 AXDA2200DKV3C T'Bred

XP2400 AXDA2400DKV3C T'Bred B
XP2500 AXDA2500DKV4D Barton
XP2600 AXDA2600DKV3D T'Bred B
XP2700 AXDA2700DKV3D T'Bred B
XP2800 AXDA2800DKV4D Barton
XP3000 AXDA3000DKV4D Barton

The XP2400-3000 are obviously T'Bred B but how do you read the final five digits of the XP1700 MPNs?

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AtomicDude512

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For the top set, the U (fourth from last digit) are Throughbreds, dont know about bottom though...
 

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There are three critical indicators in the OPN.

AX1700DMT3C: Voltage
AX1700DMT3C: Maximum temperature
AX1700DMT3C: FSB Speed

The following codes mean the following:

Voltage

L: 1.50V
U: 1.60V
K: 1.65V
M: 1.75V


All Palominos have default voltage of 1.75V, so all Palominos have voltage code of "M." TBredAs have a default range of 1.5-1.65V. TBredBs have a default range of 1.6V-1.65V.

Maximum Temperature

T: 90C
V: 85C


All AMD processors with a rating less than 2200+ have a maximum temperature of 90C, so they're all "Ts." Anything above that has a max temp of 85C, so they're all "Vs." FSB Speed

C: 266MHz
D: 333MHz


Here's how these codes translate in real life with real chips:

1700+

Palominos: If the website you're ordering from shows an order code of AX1700DMT3C, that's a Palomino.

TBredA: If the website you're ordering from shows an order code of AXDA1700DLT3C, that's a Thoroughbred A.

TBredB: If the website you're ordering from shows an order code of AXDA1700DUT3C, that's a Thoroughbred B.

If you see a code like "AIUHB" that begins with the letter "A" on the second line of the processor codes, that's a high-end TBredB.

If you see a code like "JIUCB" that begins with the letter "J" on the second line of the processor codes, that's a low-end TBredB.

1800+

Palominos: If the website you're ordering from shows an order code of AX1800DMT3C, that's a Palomino.

TBredA: If the website you're ordering from shows an order code of AXDA1800DLT3C, that's a Thoroughbred A.

TBredB: If the website you're ordering from shows an order code of AXDA1800DUT3C, that's a Thoroughbred B.

If you see a code like "AIUHB" that begins with the letter "A" on the second line of the processor codes, that's a high-end TBredB.

If you see a code like "JIUCB" that begins with the letter "J" on the second line of the processor codes, that's a low-end TBredB.

1900+

Palominos: If the website you're ordering from shows an order code of AX1900DMT3C, that's a Palomino.

TBredA: If the website you're ordering from shows an order code of AXDA1900DLT3C, that's a Thoroughbred A.

TBredB: If the website you're ordering from shows an order code of AXDA1900DUT3C, that would be a Thoroughbred B.

If you see a code like "AIUHB" that begins with the letter "A" on the second line of the processor codes, that's a high-end TBredB.

If you see a code like "JIUCB" that begins with the letter "J" on the second line of the processor codes, that's a low-end TBredB.

However, AMD's datasheets do not currently show a 1900+ TBredB, and as of now (1/15/03), there have been no sightings of any. Since both the 1800+ and 2000+ TBredBs have a default voltage of 1.60V ("U"); it's very safe to say any 1900+ TBredB will also.

2000+

Palominos: If the website you're ordering from shows an order code of AX2000DMT3C, that's a Palomino.

TBredA: If the website you're ordering from shows an order code of AXDA2000DKT3C, that's a Thoroughbred A.

TBredA/B: If the website you're ordering from shows an order code of AXDA2000DUT3C, that could be either a Thoroughbred A or Thoroughbred B. The only way to distinguish between the two is by the stepping code.

All TBredAs have a stepping code which ends in "A," like "AIUGA." All TBredBs have a stepping code which ends in "B," like "AIUGB."

There's two listed TBredA types in the AMD techdoc. One uses 1.6V, the other uses 1.65V. The TBredB is solely 1.6V.

If you've determined a CPU is a TBredB, if you see a code like "AIUHB" that begins with the letter "A" on the second line of the processor codes, that's a high-end TBredB.

If you see a code like "JIUCB" that begins with the letter "J" on the second line of the processor codes, that's a low-end TBredB.

2100+

Palominos: If the website you're ordering from shows an order code of AX2100DMT3C, that's a Palomino.

TBredA/B: If the website you're ordering from shows an order code of AXDA2000DUT3C, that could be either a Thoroughbred A or Thoroughbred B.

All TBredAs have a stepping code which ends in "A," like "AIUGA." All TBredBs have a stepping code which ends in "B," like "AIUGB."

If you see a code like "AIUHB" that begins with the letter "A" on the second line of the processor codes, that's a high-end TBredB.

If you see a code like "JIUCB" that begins with the letter "J" on the second line of the processor codes, that's a low-end TBredB.

2200+

TBredA: If the website you're ordering from shows an order code of AXDA2200DKV3C, that's a Thoroughbred A.

TBredB: If the website you're ordering from shows an order code of AXDA2200DUV3C, that's a Thoroughbred B.

If you see a code like "AIUHB" that begins with the letter "A" on the second line of the processor codes, that's a high-end TBredB.

If you see a code like "JIUCB" that begins with the letter "J" on the second line of the processor codes, that's a low-end TBredB.

2400+

Sorry, no exciting choices here (yet). They're all TBredBs, and they'll have an order code of AXDA2400DKV3C.

Yes, the DKV part is the same as for the 2200+. That's because a TBredA runs at 1.65V (that's what the "K" stands for) at 2200+. A TBredB runs at 1.6V (that's what the "U" stands for) at 2200+ and 1.65V at 2400+ and above.

2600+

These are all TBredBs, too, but just in case "which one I am getting" is getting old, the 2600+ gives you a new, different challenge: What Speed Am I Getting? There will be two 2600+s, but they'll run at different speeds. Since the 333MHz bus helps performance, AMD figured (correctly) that a CPU running at a slightly lower speed and higher bus was the same as a CPU running at a higher speed and a lower bus.

The 2600+, 266MHz version, will run at 2133MHz.

The 2600+, 333MHz version, will run at 2083MHz.

We'll no doubt see more situations like this as the number of 333MHz processors expands.

The way you tell these apart by OPN is that the 266MHz processors will always have an OPN that ends in "C," while the 333MHz processors will always have an OPN that ends in "D."

Next spring, we'll get more of the same when Bartons show up. You'll have Bartons and TBreds running at the same speed, too.

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Megatomic

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Originally posted by: bgeh


2100+

Palominos: If the website you're ordering from shows an order code of AX2100DMT3C, that's a Palomino.

TBredA/B: If the website you're ordering from shows an order code of AXDA2000DUT3C, that could be either a Thoroughbred A or Thoroughbred B.

All TBredAs have a stepping code which ends in "A," like "AIUGA." All TBredBs have a stepping code which ends in "B," like "AIUGB."

If you see a code like "AIUHB" that begins with the letter "A" on the second line of the processor codes, that's a high-end TBredB.

If you see a code like "JIUCB" that begins with the letter "J" on the second line of the processor codes, that's a low-end TBredB.

Tbred "A" chips are known by DLT3C, Tbred "B" are the DUT3C code. At least that's what I have been reading... I hope I am right, I bought a chip thinking it was a "B" due to the DUT3C code. :(

 

JSSheridan

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I've noticed that the stepping code that are under the product codes you've listed, Gronich, will tell you what version the Thoroughbred is. In the various steppings ,AIUGA, AIUAB, AIUCB, AIUGB, AIUHB, JIUCB, and so forth, look at the last letter to determine whether it's a Tbred A or Tbred B. "A" would tell you that it is a Tbred A, and "B" would tell you it's a Tbred B.

Also, if you want to confirm this, install the CPU and download WCPUID (there is a link in the sticky thread at the top of this catagory) and look at the Family/Standard field. Palaminos have a code of 66X, Tbred A is 680, and Tbred B is 681. Peace.
 

Gronich

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Wow! Excellent post. This is help no end in buying the correct processor.

I'm going to get an XP1800+ T'Bred B and overclock to 200FSB or (166FSB depending how stable it is). So, from the code on my list, it looks like I will be looking on another site for it.

You mentioned the A and J coding for the high/low end is this AMDs grading system? And any ideas what boundaries/critique they use for grading them?

Many thanks.

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Gronich

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I haven't seen the stepping codes on any of the UK websites I've used. I've used WCPUID on my mates XP1700+ (overclocked to 166FSB) which confirmed that it was a 681.

I'm curious, WCPUIDs I have seen for the Barton show it as 6 10 (can't remember the final digit) was there no 69x? Something that AMD discarded before releasing the Barton?

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JSSheridan

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The middle number is the model number. I have only seen AMD increase it in steps of 2, so you have 6, 8 10, ect. The Barton will be the last CPU of family 6.
 

KF

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>I'm curious, WCPUIDs I have seen for the Barton show it as 6 10 (can't remember the final digit) was there no 69x?
>Something that AMD discarded before releasing the Barton?


Possibly AMD has model numbers for other versions, such as the multiprocessor version and the mobile version.