Idaho Fish And Game Official Under Fire Over African Hunting Trip

[esquared]

This really disgusts me. Nothing against hunters who kill and use the animal for food.
This, while it may be legal, I just cannot see having/wanting to kill a family of baboons
for the fuck of it.

"Fischer, in his email, said his wife “wanted to watch me and ‘get a feel’ for Africa... so I shot a whole family of baboons. I think she got the idea quick.”"

"“I didn’t do anything illegal. I didn’t do anything unethical. I didn’t do anything immoral,” Fischer told the paper."

Wat? Nothing immoral? You shot a whole family of baboons, because you just, could? That's not immoral?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/idaho-fish-game-official-under-185609905.html

Reminds me of seeing those pictures of cheeto jr smiling with the spoils of his kill

edit:
He's now lost that job as Fish and Game Commisioner of Idaho.
https://www.idahostatejournal.com/n...cle_54a3b328-e1e6-55c2-9195-1e4a6e02c0cb.html

"The email included 12 photographs in total, depicting various animals the pair had hunted, which included a leopard, giraffe, impala and waterbuck. Included with the images were descriptions of each kill, according to a report in the Washington Post."

Seriously, the guy killed a giraffe?

 

[sandorski]

Potato hunting must be getting boring.

 

[Moonbeam]

He didn't do anything illegal...............

 

[trenchfoot]

I never did care for trophy hunting and I never will, but shooting those baboons "just for fun" well that went way over the line that shouldn't have been crossed, especially so for a "Fish and Game Commissioner".

Heh, just take a look at how the Trump admin. is gutting our other regulatory agencies by placing corporate sponsored directors and leaders that vehemently opposes those very agencies they now lead and it's so easy to explain why this guy had that job.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Shocking.

 

[HomerJS]

He didn't do anything illegal...............

We know that. It's an analysis of his soul.

Tossing puppies off a cliff in many countries isn't illegal either. You gonna do it?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

He didn't do anything illegal...............

He didn’t and that is not the claim, he used poor judgement.
I read about this yesterday, even a handful of hunting organizations had major problems with it. Appearently the hunters code involves

Not killing everything
No taking gory pictures of the kill
It’s generally considered a poor idea to kill baby animals

 

[Commodus]

This kind of hunting is bad enough by itself, but you'd think a Fish and Game Commissioner would at least pay attention to the population levels of animals before hunting them. Giraffes and leopards are both considered "vulnerable" -- you're taking a gamble on the safety of the entire species by taking down one or two animals.

 

[realibrad]

Is it that he hunted specific animals? Is it that he hunted animals from populations at risk? Is it that he had a profession where people believe he was supposed to protect wildlife?

 

[UberNeuman]

He only did over there with animals what he couldn’t do over here with people.

 

[soulcougher73]

Is it that he hunted specific animals? Is it that he hunted animals from populations at risk? Is it that he had a profession where people believe he was supposed to protect wildlife?

I think its just the unnecessary killing of life for no apparent reason other than he could. I mean how would he like it if someone walked into his house and shot up him and his family and posed with the dead bodies...because he could (assuming it was legal in this scenario to kill humans because you felt like it). He isn't hunting for food to feed his family. He is just killing innocent life as they go about their daily lives.

But i'm also sure his job title has a bit to do with the hatred if i had to wager a guess.

 

[Denly]

He didn't do anything illegal...............

Maybe, he just there to murder a whole family of baboons. Is he hunting it for consumption? Or just did it because he has a tiny dick with big ego? if a mama racoon with her 9 babies digging up your lawn what will you do? NOTHING. Why travel halfway around the world - sorry if he is a flat earth believer - just to shoot some arrows?

 

[Commodus]

Is it that he hunted specific animals? Is it that he hunted animals from populations at risk? Is it that he had a profession where people believe he was supposed to protect wildlife?

It's a number of things. He killed the animals purely for 'fun.' He killed them without consideration for their vulnerability. And while a fish-and-game commissioner isn't supposed to protect wildlife at all costs, he is supposed to understand sustainability and refrain from willful cruelty.

 

[realibrad]

I think its just the unnecessary killing of life for no apparent reason other than he could. I mean how would he like it if someone walked into his house and shot up him and his family and posed with the dead bodies...because he could (assuming it was legal in this scenario to kill humans because you felt like it). He isn't hunting for food to feed his family. He is just killing innocent life as they go about their daily lives.

But i'm also sure his job title has a bit to do with the hatred if i had to wager a guess.

I don't eat chicken because I need it to live, yet I support the killings of chicken for what can be argued as enjoyment.

Also, animals are not on the same level as people, so I think your example is extreme.

But, I think hunting because it brings you enjoyment is equal to killing because you enjoy eating that animal. Do you not see them as equal?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Maybe, he just there to murder a whole family of baboons. Is he hunting it for consumption? Or just did it because he has a tiny dick with big ego? if a mama racoon with her 9 babies digging up your lawn what will you do? NOTHING. Why travel halfway around the world - sorry if he is a flat earth believer - just to shoot some arrows?

I saw an exterminator trap the mom raccoon, place the cage near the foundation where she was nested and one by one shoot the baby raccoons as they left to see mom.

*I didn’t hire this guy, I just witnessed it
**yes raccoons are vermin and need to go but man that’s a cruel way to do it

 

[realibrad]

It's a number of things. He killed the animals purely for 'fun.' He killed them without consideration for their vulnerability. And while a fish-and-game commissioner isn't supposed to protect wildlife at all costs, he is supposed to understand sustainability and refrain from willful cruelty.

Well, its a debated topic but the argument is that if you charge rich people to hunt, you can support paying many people to prevent unregulated poaching which is a massive problem. No rich people means poaching will continue. People are shitty, so might as well use that shitty nature to try and help is the argument.

So from that perspective it would seem he is using his personal desire to help sustain the populations.

 

[soulcougher73]

I don't eat chicken because I need it to live, yet I support the killings of chicken for what can be argued as enjoyment.

Also, animals are not on the same level as people, so I think your example is extreme.

But, I think hunting because it brings you enjoyment is equal to killing because you enjoy eating that animal. Do you not see them as equal?

Yeah it was pretty extreme but i think it highlights a big difference between many people and what they consider immoral or moral, or survival vs enjoyment. I find it pretty sickening myself that someone would enjoy killing an animal just because they liked to kill animals. If they are going to eat everything they kill then that is different. But if were talking just trophy hunters. nah, fuck those guys.

 

[realibrad]

Yeah it was pretty extreme but i think it highlights a big difference between many people and what they consider immoral or moral, or survival vs enjoyment. I find it pretty sickening myself that someone would enjoy killing an animal just because they liked to kill animals. If they are going to eat everything they kill then that is different. But if were talking just trophy hunters. nah, fuck those guys.

I have known people that kill for the enjoyment of killing. I can also say that the vast majority of "hunters" I have known enjoy hunting for the test of ability and not the death. I also have only known hunters that use the animal for food and other things. Its not that they needed it to live, but enjoyed the meat and enjoyed sharing it.

So, killing because you like to eat that animal appears a lot closer than I think it appears to others. I would also point out that factory farming is far worse than what most hunters do.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Often these hunters spend quite a bit of money for these hunts, money that goes into preserving habitat and protecting animals.

 

[soulcougher73]

I have known people that kill for the enjoyment of killing. I can also say that the vast majority of "hunters" I have known enjoy hunting for the test of ability and not the death. I also have only known hunters that use the animal for food and other things. Its not that they needed it to live, but enjoyed the meat and enjoyed sharing it.

So, killing because you like to eat that animal appears a lot closer than I think it appears to others. I would also point out that factory farming is far worse than what most hunters do.

Maybe the hunters who enjoy it for the test of ability should take us skeet or something similar that doesnt involve something dying for your amusement lol. But yes i know people who do skeet, hunt for fun and hunt to eat/share food. Doesnt mean i agree with them on all of it though.

But i doubt this guy was going to eat or share their meat with this family of baboons. I agree with you on the factory farming being worse, that is why i source my own meat from local farmers i meet in person and see what their operation is all about. It's not cheap though lol

 

[ch33zw1z]

Is it that he hunted specific animals? Is it that he hunted animals from populations at risk? Is it that he had a profession where people believe he was supposed to protect wildlife?

Yes

 

[gorcorps]

This pisses me off... gives hunters a bad name. I don't understand trophy hunting as it is, but this is doubly fucked.

 

[realibrad]

Maybe the hunters who enjoy it for the test of ability should take us skeet or something similar that doesnt involve something dying for your amusement lol. But yes i know people who do skeet, hunt for fun and hunt to eat/share food. Doesnt mean i agree with them on all of it though.

But i doubt this guy was going to eat or share their meat with this family of baboons. I agree with you on the factory farming being worse, that is why i source my own meat from local farmers i meet in person and see what their operation is all about. It's not cheap though lol

Let me ask you this then, do you play video games where you "kill" something? Are you getting enjoyment from the virtual death, or, the test of skill?

 

[soulcougher73]

Let me ask you this then, do you play video games where you "kill" something? Are you getting enjoyment from the virtual death, or, the test of skill?

I have played games like that yes. But i think comparing virtual death to real death is even more extreme than my extreme earlier

 

[ch33zw1z]

Let me ask you this then, do you play video games where you "kill" something? Are you getting enjoyment from the virtual death, or, the test of skill?

Yeesh, if it we're similar enough for comparison, why would anyone travels 10,000 miles to shoot those animals then?

Anyone not teaching their kids the obvious difference between real life and video games is subpar parenting.