Originally posted by: rasholianmon
Originally posted by: whattaguy
I plead with you to stay away from the Jehovah's Witnesses.
Jesus made many claims that He is God.
He and God are One.
Jesus was not a created being.
Same goes for the Holy Spirit.
All three existed all the time as one Person.
This is where faith comes into play, because it is mind-boggling.
the trinity is a pagan doctrine....
not found anywhere in the original or translated scriptures...
Jesus, by stating that he and the father "are one" and that they are "in union" is meant to say that they have a lot in common, being that he is his son.
if you and your father were to go out in public, and you had most of the same traits as your father, you'd have a similar relationship.
don't fall for the lies of today's worldwide christendom hypocrisy...
Oh really
We see the Triune God head in Genesis Chapter 1. We see God, The Spirt of God, and we see God speaking, The Word of God. There are countless scriptures throughout the old testament that shows and defines the Triune God. We also have some clear clarification in the New Testament that point blank answers some questions.
We see at Jesus' baptism the Triune God head clearly
Matt. 3:16
16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Now we have Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit. Looks like Triune God to me. I could go on but I won't
Jesus is God. He was the word spoken by God in the very beginning we see this here in John.
John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God.
And to make even plainer
verse 14
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
Now was Jesus God? Yes he was
We see this here in
1 Tim 3
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory.
God manifested in flesh. Now who could that be
but Jesus.
Are they one in the same. Jesus himself said so. We see that here
John 14
8 Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us."
9 Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, "Show us the Father'?
10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works.
11 Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.
Now he states very plainly that whoever seen him seen God. Now I am not my father and my father certainly isn't me. Anybody who sees me doesn't see my father. So it is clear the only way he could say such a thing is if they are one in the same person.
Man there must be a couple hundred scriptures easy to show the Triune God head and that Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit while all seperate and also one in the same.
And look at the Hebrews 1 where God is speaking about Jesus, here's part of what he said
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. 10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
God calls him God, then to leave no doubt that Jesus is the word of God made flesh and was with God from the beginning he says in verse 10, calls him Lord and says in the beginning he laid the foundation of the earth. Now if that doesn't sum it up I don't know what will. Rash you need to repent and get saved.
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