dank69
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Above your age please. The climate is in fact warmer now . Maybe this erection will cool things down mother earth shes hot.
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Above your age please. The climate is in fact warmer now . Maybe this erection will cool things down mother earth shes hot.
I've been thinking about the effects of the volcanic eruption in iceland, and while it is tragic and could wreak havoc on the world economy, there are some potentially positive results from it.
For example. With the European air force grounded, that is a LOT of fuel that will not be consumed. As a result, shouldn't gas prices drop for everyone?
As well, the volcano is going to lower global temperatures (this winter is probably going to be a cold one world wide). As well, it will decrease CO2 output by a large margin (no planes = no CO2 burning).
Any thoughts to go along with my random ramblings?
The subtopic addressed in that analogy is "middle ground". You are trying too hard.
Yes we can work together and cooperate as long as you don't attempt to comprimise away my individual liberty to own property. I'll have my V8 and 30" monitor and recycle, you can have your 3 cyl and 14" energy efficient monitor and recycle and we'll get along, ok?
So what's the problem? Why can't we get along and cooperate?
I haven't bothered to read the whole thread - yeah shame on me.
Assuming that you are being serious here -
You are living proof as to why we should have a basic intelligence test to allow people to vote and as to why the progressive movement has such an easy following.
For your own sake, please study some science and economics.
lol, nice. I love the assumptions being made here.
What are you trying to dispute in my OP?
1. Volcano eruptions alter global temperatures, generally causing them to go down.
2. Halting travel for several days in areas that contain a huge portion of the world economy (England, France, Germany) will ultimately hurt the world economy.
3. Planes consume a lot of fuel, halting a huge portion of the worlds airlines will significantly reduce fuel consumption. Lower fuel consumption = lower CO2 output.
Or are you another one of those "Volcanos put out more CO2 then man ever will" people. Which has already been refuted a couple of times in this thread.
I laugh at you for thinking that I'm progressive.
No, I laugh because you actually believe in MMGW. Just forget it.
IThat coupled with the leftist slant in P&N is why I don't frequent here anymore. I prefer to live in a world that isn't ending every day and just go about my business owning and driving what I please.
Where did you get this monitor thing from? I'm sitting in front of two 24" flat panels. And who the hell wants an American V8 they're slow shit and can't turn corners... I think you've picked up a strange idea somewhere about some country in Europe, and have extended that cover all European people in all their variety, without ever actually going there.
I thought we _were_ getting on it's you who seem to have a problem with us.
Well if that isn't typical...
It always seems to be Europe (at least many places in Europe) that wants everyone else in the world to have smaller houses, smaller weaker cars that get 60+ mpg, etc. Meanwhile they build cars like SLRs and Veyrons over there that get what 6 mpg? Not to mention Ferraris, 500 HP BMWs, twin turbo Mercedes, etc. But us yanks are supposed to do the responsible thing and all drive 50 HP hybrids.
And since when is 600 HP slow and 1g not able to turn? (no it's not a Corvette) When is the last time you have been over here, the 70s?
Anyway lets "comprimise". I make due with one monitor, why do you need two? Isn't that like twice the CO2? Planet killer!
PS I'm all for safe and green nuclear power, but the same liberals over here don't want working solutions that allow people to keep their stuff, they just want to guilt trip or force successful white people to give up their stuff and aren't open to real and effective solutions.
successful white people
Show me something official coming out of Europe which says we want Americans to have smaller houses. I have never heard/read anything about the size of American houses. Who would even think about something like that? I mean even if the EU was in the habit of dictating things to other nations - which it isn't - the US does enough of that - why the size of houses? Surely the size of a house alone has vey little to do with it's carbon footprint if that's what you mean - much more the materials it's built from and type of power station which supplies it power. Where did you get these ideas from?
Horsepower does not equal speed round a track. You can get forklifts and mobile cranes with 500bhp - are they fast? This is the problem with American cars.
Where did I say anything about the environment? Do you think you're speaking to someone else?
What does liberalism have to do with environmentalism? If anything green policy is socialist/authoritarian.
/edit: woah! I missed this first time round:
What the hell does skin color have to do with it? Are liberals never white? What color are they? What color are these poeople who are trying to take your 'stuff'?
I think we just got to the root of this guy's attitude!
I've been thinking about the effects of the volcanic eruption in iceland, and while it is tragic and could wreak havoc on the world economy, there are some potentially positive results from it.
For example. With the European air force grounded, that is a LOT of fuel that will not be consumed. As a result, shouldn't gas prices drop for everyone?
As well, the volcano is going to lower global temperatures (this winter is probably going to be a cold one world wide). As well, it will decrease CO2 output by a large margin (no planes = no CO2 burning).
Any thoughts to go along with my random ramblings?
I think that it's a bad thing. Europeans are under so much pressure - Obama shitting on them, the Greece crisis, EU harmony cracking, etc. The world should be worried about their collective psychological state right now.
A Lot.
That's why the earth had huge rain forest reserves to deal with it.. But no Man went and fucked that up. We cut down most of earths natural air scrubbers and we are working on eliminating more and more.
As Professor John states, Probably enough for maybe a years worth of man made CO2. But the problem is, we can't control natural cycles of the planet CO2 production but do we have to Add to it? The volcano's in Hawaii make iceland look like a drop in the bucket unless it continues to erupt for the next million years.
Wow, we have a lot of climate experts in this thread. I also see some Economics experts, geologists.. we have all the experts in here!
As a matter of fact, there are experts in just about every thread I read in P&N.
Volcanic ash cool the planet down for a few years. Volcanoes spew lots of co2 though. Before humans came along, volcanoes were the only things re-inserting co2 into the environment. Without them, the earth would have frozen over like mars long ago.What are you trying to dispute in my OP?
1. Volcano eruptions alter global temperatures, generally causing them to go down.
Volcanic ash cool the planet down for a few years. Volcanoes spew lots of co2 though. Before humans came along, volcanoes were the only things re-inserting co2 into the environment. Without them, the earth would have frozen over like mars long ago.
Umm... because CO2 causes retention of solar energy where as ash prevents it from getting here.. Both are serious problems though more or less opposite of each other. Particulate matter is a large concern for many folks in industry. In fact, many models suggest the only thing keeping warming from running away is the other forms of pollution we happen to be spewing out with it (at least historically, industry has done an alright job of filtering this now a days).My question is, if spewing ash into the atmosphere is a simple way to get global temperatures down, then why are we worrying about CO2?
Umm... because CO2 causes retention of solar energy where as ash prevents it from getting here.. Both are serious problems though more or less opposite of each other. Particulate matter is a large concern for many folks in industry. In fact, many models suggest the only thing keeping warming from running away is the other forms of pollution we happen to be spewing out with it (at least historically, industry has done an alright job of filtering this now a days).
So just pump a bunch of dust into the air and everything will be fine. Spewing ash into the air is natural. Volcanos do it right?
That's not how it works.