ICE: Nearly 600 detained in Mississippi plant raid

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ICE: Nearly 600 detained in Mississippi plant raid

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By HOLBROOK MOHR, Associated Press Writer 26 minutes ago

LAUREL, Miss. - The largest single-workplace immigration raid in U.S. history has caused panic among Hispanic families in this small southern Mississippi town, where federal agents rounded up nearly 600 plant workers suspected of being in the country illegally.

One worker caught in Monday's sweep at the Howard Industries transformer plant said fellow workers applauded as immigrants were taken into custody. Federal officials said a tip from a union member prompted them to start investigating several years ago.

Fabiola Pena, 21, cradled her 2-year-old daughter as she described a chaotic scene at the plant as the raid began, followed by clapping.

"I was crying the whole time. I didn't know what to do," Pena said. "We didn't know what was happening because everyone started running. Some people thought it was a bomb but then we figured out it was immigration."

About 100 of the 595 detained workers were released for humanitarian reasons, many of them mothers who were fitted with electronic monitoring bracelets and allowed to go home to their children, officials said.

About 475 other workers were transferred to a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement facility in Jena, La. Nine who were under 18 were transferred to the custody of the Office of Refugee Resettlement.

John Foxworth, an attorney representing some of the immigrants, said eight appeared in federal court in Hattiesburg on Tuesday because they face criminal charges for allegedly using false Social Security and residency identification.

He said the raid was traumatic for families.

"There was no communication, an immediate loss of any kind of news and a lack of understanding of what's happening to their loved ones," he said. "A complete and utter feeling of helplessness."

The superintendent of the county school district said about half of approximately 160 Hispanic students were absent Tuesday.

Roberto Velez, pastor at Iglesia Cristiana Peniel, where an estimated 30 to 40 percent of the 200 parishioners were caught up in the raid, said parents were afraid immigration officials would take them.

"They didn't send their kids to school today," he said. "How scared is that?"

Those detained were from Brazil, El Salvador, Germany, Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico, Panama, and Peru, said Barbara Gonzalez, an ICE spokeswoman.

Elizabeth Alegria, 26, a Mexican immigrant, was working at the plant Monday when ICE agents stormed in. When they found out she has two sons, ages 4 and 9, she was fitted with a bracelet and told to appear in federal court next month. Her husband, Andres, was not so lucky.

"I'm very traumatized because I don't know if they are going to let my husband go and when I will see him," Elizabeth Alegria said through a translator Tuesday as she returned to the Howard Industries parking lot to retrieve her sport utility vehicle.

"We have kids without dads and pregnant mothers who got their husbands taken away," said Velez's son, Robert, youth pastor at the church. "It was like a horror story. They got handled like they were criminals."

Howard Industries is in Mississippi's Pine Belt region, known for commercial timber growth and chicken processing plants. The tech company produces dozens of products ranging from electrical transformers to medical supplies, according to its Web site.

Gonzalez said agents had executed search warrants at both the plant and the company headquarters in nearby Ellisville. She said no company executives had been detained, but this is an "ongoing investigation and yesterday's action was just the first part."

A woman at the Ellisville headquarters told The Associated Press on Tuesday that no one was available to answer questions.

In a statement to the Laurel Leader-Call newspaper, Howard Industries said the company "runs every check allowed to ascertain the immigration status of all applicants for its jobs."

"It is company policy that it hires only U.S. citizens and legal immigrants," the statement said.

Gov. Haley Barbour recently signed a law requiring Mississippi employers to use a U.S. Homeland Security system to check new workers' immigration status.

The law took effect July 1 for businesses with state contracts and takes effect Jan. 1 for other businesses. Mississippi lawmakers once used laptops made by Howard Industries, but it's not clear whether the company has current state contracts.

Under the law, a company found guilty of employing illegal immigrants could lose public contracts for three years and the right to do business in Mississippi for one year.

The law also makes it a felony for an illegal immigrant to accept a job in Mississippi. A message was left with the district attorney's office after hours seeking comment on whether he would use the law to bring state charges against Howard Industries or the workers.

The Mississippi raid is one of several nationwide in recent years.

On May 12, federal immigration officials swept into Agriprocessors, the nation's largest kosher meatpacking plant, in Iowa. Nearly 400 workers were detained and dozens of fraudulent permanent resident alien cards were seized from the plant's human resources department, according to court records. In December 2006, 1,297 were arrested at Swift meatpacking plants in Nebraska and five other states.
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Associated Press Writers Shelia Byrd in Hattiesburg, Emily Wagster Pettus in Jackson and Eileen Sullivan in Washington, D.C., contributed to this report.


According to the story, 'no company executives had been detained' and 'it is company policy that it hires only U.S. citizens and legal immigrants'. I'm going to ask 'why not?' on the former and call BS on the latter. If there's 600 friggin illegals working there and the legal workers are aware I'm pretty sure the management is aware too. What good does it do to round up illegals if they don't do something about the people that hire them? Kudos for the law being enforced but it is really sad what it does to the families. Yeah, I know they're here illegally and I'm sure I'll be called a bleeding heart liberal for having sympathy but this is just crappy all around.
 

SAWYER

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Deport the illegal crimmigrants and arrest the criminal management staff/owners
 

jpeyton

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Good luck finding people to fill those positions.

American's love their WalMart bargains as long as we don't know who makes those low prices possible.
 
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Originally posted by: Zorba
Originally posted by: CrazyHelloDeli
Originally posted by: Sawyer
Deport the illegal crimmigrants and arrest the criminal management staff/owners

:thumbsup:

:thumbsup:

:thumbsup:

If management and owners started getting arrested and jailed for hiring illegal immigrants we wouldn't have nearly as many illegals in this country in the first place because noody would be willing to give them a job. It's time to begin cracking down on the root of the problem.
 

GrGr

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Good luck finding people to fill those positions.

American's love their WalMart bargains as long as we don't know who makes those low prices possible.

The New Great Depression will take care of that. They are just making room now that the good times are over and the illegals have done their job.


 

Balt

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Good luck finding people to fill those positions.

American's love their WalMart bargains as long as we don't know who makes those low prices possible.

The Chinese? :p
 

BoomerD

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Originally posted by: Sawyer
Deport the illegal crimmigrants and arrest the criminal management staff/owners

While it's remotely possible that not all the upper management knew they were hiring illegal immigrants...hey, I said remotely possible...it's highly unlikely that they didn't, at the very minimum, suspect that they were.

Companies like this need to have their payroll records siezed and be fined a MINIMUM of $1000 per day per illegal employee.
The ONLY way to make an impression on corporations, is to hit them in the only place they care...the bottom line.
Corporate HR people and officers all the way up the chain of command need to be criminally charged.

As for all the "drama" surrounding these immigration raids...too fucking bad. When you're here illegally, you should expect to be rounded up and deported with no notice, no further family contact, and no remorse from the deporting country.

I DO feel bad for the children affected by these raids, so make sure they're sent back with their parents.
 

ProfJohn

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I agree with Boomer, sort of.

It is not enough to arrest the managers you need to fine the company a lot of money.
$10,000 per illegal perhaps. Companies understand fines more than anything else.

A CEO sees a $6 million fine and they will start paying attention to who they middle and lower managers are hiring.
 

piasabird

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So ICE got a tip that there were illegals 2 years ago and finally showed up 2 years later. What exactly took so long. It is like this is a strike planned to match up with the Democratic Convention.

I worked in a factory that made ammunition and we had some big-wig from corporate show up every 60 days or so for an inspection. This is typically how things work in corporate run companies. No way in hell they did not know what was going on. Only an idiot could miss it.
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Zorba
Originally posted by: CrazyHelloDeli
Originally posted by: Sawyer
Deport the illegal crimmigrants and arrest the criminal management staff/owners

:thumbsup:

:thumbsup:

:thumbsup:

If management and owners started getting arrested and jailed for hiring illegal immigrants we wouldn't have nearly as many illegals in this country in the first place because nobody would be willing to give them a job. It's time to begin cracking down on the root of the problem.

:thumbsup: X10
 
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Originally posted by: piasabird
So ICE got a tip that there were illegals 2 years ago and finally showed up 2 years later. What exactly took so long. It is like this is a strike planned to match up with the Democratic Convention.
I can see how the investigative work to ensure this raid was on the money would take a lot of time to pull off. Two years may sound like a lot of time but no doubt they many legal details to attend to in order to get their ducks in a row first.

On the plus side...If anyone is looking for a job there's a company in Mississippi that will likely be looking for @600 spots to fill come Monday morning. :D
 

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: piasabird
So ICE got a tip that there were illegals 2 years ago and finally showed up 2 years later. What exactly took so long. It is like this is a strike planned to match up with the Democratic Convention.
I can see how the investigative work to ensure this raid was on the money would take a lot of time to pull off. Two years may sound like a lot of time but no doubt they many legal details to attend to in order to get their ducks in a row first.

On the plus side...If anyone is looking for a job there's a company in Mississippi that will likely be looking for @600 spots to fill come Monday morning. :D

And now that Handy Manny's gone, they're just going to have to pay Bob the Builder what he's worth.
 
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Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: piasabird
So ICE got a tip that there were illegals 2 years ago and finally showed up 2 years later. What exactly took so long. It is like this is a strike planned to match up with the Democratic Convention.
I can see how the investigative work to ensure this raid was on the money would take a lot of time to pull off. Two years may sound like a lot of time but no doubt they many legal details to attend to in order to get their ducks in a row first.

On the plus side...If anyone is looking for a job there's a company in Mississippi that will likely be looking for @600 spots to fill come Monday morning. :D

And now that Handy Manny's gone, they're just going to have to pay Bob the Builder what he's worth.
They'll pay Bob the Builder what he's worth in Mississippi.

Bob may or may not agree with that.
 

Blackjack200

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Wow, what horrible fucking assholes. Coming here to work and try to raise a family. It is obviously their fault that they were not born here. I find it hilarious that Republicans who pretend to value exactly these kinds of working principles can't wait to kick out the Mexac'ns. They really have no right fighting welfare when they're busy tearing apart working families and shipping workers back "home".

Let me know when you're done with your ethnic cleansing.

And don't be rediculous, nobody's paying Bob the Builder $25 an hour to stamp out computer chips. They will move the production offshore.
 

hellokeith

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I agree with Boomer, sort of.

It is not enough to arrest the managers you need to fine the company a lot of money.
$10,000 per illegal perhaps. Companies understand fines more than anything else.

A CEO sees a $6 million fine and they will start paying attention to who they middle and lower managers are hiring.

The IRS may already do something to that effect. They can pretty much make up any $ fine they want, and the company has no choice but to pay it.



Blackjack200,

So you are against enforcing existing immigration laws already on the books?
 

Blackjack200

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What kind of question is that? Do you think that I've read every immigration law on the books? Laws that allow the state to round up laborers and their families and ship them out of the country are morally repugnant.

Other immigration laws I'm less concerned with. I don't really give a crap if some loser minuteman in Texas wants dress up in his soldier costume and feel tough "guarding" the border.
 

BoberFett

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Kind of like some loser named Blackjack200 who wants to feel tough on an internet forum.

Fact: Unchecked immigration is having a downward pressure on US wages. Why do you want to drive working class Americans into poverty?
 

Blackjack200

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The macroeconomic effects of immigration are extremely complicated.

Either way, rounding up 600 of them and shipping them out is a reprehensible way to deal with the problem. How many did they get? 600? How many illegal immigrants enter the country every day? 10,000? Well, they'll only need 17 raids that size per day to break even.

This reminds me of those drug busts where the cops pose with huge stacks of cocaine bricks while more and more of the stuff flows into the country every day. Completely political.
 

shira

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Originally posted by: Blackjack200
Wow, what horrible fucking assholes. Coming here to work and try to raise a family. It is obviously their fault that they were not born here. I find it hilarious that Republicans who pretend to value exactly these kinds of working principles can't wait to kick out the Mexac'ns. They really have no right fighting welfare when they're busy tearing apart working families and shipping workers back "home".

Let me know when you're done with your ethnic cleansing.

And don't be rediculous, nobody's paying Bob the Builder $25 an hour to stamp out computer chips. They will move the production offshore.

All 600 of these workers were probably having income taxes and SS withheld, and paying rent or property taxes on their homes. They weren't freeloading, and at the wages they were probably receiving, they weren't stealing jobs from Americans.

If these companies start paying wages high enough to attract enough American workers to fill all slots, you can bet that prices will go up significantly. This assumes these companies are can afford to pay that much and still be competitive. Another possibility is that these plants will close, and more and more of these domestically produced products will instead come from outside the U.S.

Immigration laws should be liberalized to allow these hardworking and, yes, basically honest Latinos continued opportunities to work in America. It's good for us all and it's the right thing to do.

Most of the people posting in this thread are just hateful xenophobes who will be the first to complain about rising prices.