IBM, AMD to co-develop chips

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By Michael Kanellos
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
January 8, 2003, 11:00 AM PT

IBM will help Advanced Micro Devices develop future chip technologies, the companies announced Wednesday, an alliance that will better insulate AMD from the growing risks of making processors.

Under the deal, the two companies will develop semiconductor manufacturing technologies for 65-nanometer and 45-nanometer chips from AMD. The 65-nanometer chips will likely emerge in 2005, with 45-nanometer chips following in 2007. The nanometer measurement refers to the average size of features on a chip.

The deal is the latest in a series of ventures that is transforming the semiconductor industry from a collection of independent companies to groups of interlinked alliances.

The hundreds of millions of transistors that will be packed into chips coming out in the next few years will create a heat crisis. Transistors require energy, but pumping electricity into chips produces heat, which in turn can melt internal components and cause other problems. A substantial amount of energy also "leaks" out of these chips and never gets used.

Developing energy-conservation technology, however, isn't easy and requires extensive research and development facilities.

"What the industry is faced with is very significant capital costs, very high revenue requirements, and very basic changes in process technology," said Sumit Sadana, director of strategy for IBM Microelectronics, in an interview in December.

AMD's Bill Siegle, senior vice president, technology operations and the company's chief scientist, said Wednesday that by collaborating with IBM, "AMD can deliver industry-leading performance and functionality for our customers while reducing the rapidly escalating cost of technology development."

The IBM-AMD alliance will specifically concentrate on how to better incorporate energy-saving technologies, such as silicon-on-insulator (SOI) and "low-k dielectrics," into chips.

Integrating SOI has been a problem for AMD, according to analysts. The company was going to include SOI in an upcoming chip called Barton, but it removed the technology and delayed the chip. Until now, AMD was obtaining its SOI technology from Motorola. Motorola could not be reached for comment.

IBM, of course, will also benefit. The company rivals Intel in semiconductor research, but its chip sales are only one-eighth as large. Licensing its technology, and manufacturing chips for other companies, opens revenue streams for Big Blue. Late last year, IBM signed a joint manufacturing and technology licensing deal with Chartered Semiconductor, a foundry that makes chips for others.

IBM's services and technology don't come cheap, though. Companies typically hand over several million dollars--even hundreds of millions of dollars, depending on the deal--to IBM under these alliances, according to sources.
 

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SWWeeet!

IBM/AMD...that's kinda cool, hopefully they will bring the best out of each other.
 

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Am I dreaming or didn't IBM do this same thing with Cyrix about 8 years ago? And where are they now ...
 

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Originally posted by: Ipno
Am I dreaming or didn't IBM do this same thing with Cyrix about 8 years ago? And where are they now ...

cyrix was much ever.


IBM brings to the thier their fabing experience and technologies. Arguable one of the best.
 

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Originally posted by: Adul
Originally posted by: Ipno
Am I dreaming or didn't IBM do this same thing with Cyrix about 8 years ago? And where are they now ...

cyrix was much ever.


IBM brings to the thier their fabing experience and technologies. Arguable one of the best.

Yep, couldn't have said it better/faster. Plus IBM has deep inroads with distro/marketing channels that AMD was in a losing battle with Intel over.......surprised it won't happen for 2 years though, would have been a great partnership for Opteron/Hammer's launch.

Chiz
 

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Yes, the same advantages were given to Cyrix, only IBMs heavy handedness and quality problems (they had a very high failure rate on the 6x86 series) caused Cyrix to go under.

Was it IBMs fault or Cyrix?

Or both.

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
 

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Reuters, 01.08.03, 1:00 PM ET

SUNNYVALE, Calif./EAST FISHKILL, N.Y., (Reuters) - International Business Machines Corp................
Where in the hell is East Fishkill, NY ????????
 
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Originally posted by: Ipno
Yes, the same advantages were given to Cyrix, only IBMs heavy handedness and quality problems (they had a very high failure rate on the 6x86 series) caused Cyrix to go under.

Was it IBMs fault or Cyrix?

Or both.

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Cyrix lives on in the low-watt Via C3.

You seem to know very little about what IBM's microelectronic's division has accomplished in the past 7 years. If you knew, you wouldn't be so grumpy.
 

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Those Cyrix chips were pretty good actually. They were way better than anything AMD had (K5.. bluck!). That part about the failure rate was too bad though. I had one and MAN did it run extremely hot!

The bad part of the chips though were the wetstone benchies... boy did they suck! As gamers know, you need FP horsepower to game :D The Cyrix chips just didn't have it campared to Pentium.

I think they'll do a kick ass job with whatever they develope. At least... hope so.
 

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Maybe I am grumpy because a friend of mine used to work for Cyrix in texas and lost his job shortly after the IBM thing. Maybe Cyrix technology is alive but their company sure isn't.
 

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How many high-performance logic fab conglomerates will there be when we hit 0.65um? The number is dropping quickly. Jerry's oft quoted "Real men have fabs" comment is starting to sound like some of the other sayings in the high-tech industry where the originator ends up eating those words later.

Moore's second law is running into real-world economics and I'm not sure if it's a good thing or not.
 

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Certainly very good for AMD, I was hoping for something to come along that would allow IBM to apply the awesome stuff they've been developing to consumer products.
 
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The development will be supported by AMD and IBM engineers working together in IBM's Semiconductor Research and Development Center (SRDC) in IBM's East Fishkill, N. Y. facility. Work is expected to begin by January 30, 2003.
http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/news/2003/0108_amd.html


And in unrelated news:
IBM today announced that it is the sole application specific integrated circuit (ASIC) technology provider for the new Cray (Nasdaq: CRAY) X1 supercomputer, which is now being shipped to customers.

The Cray supercomputer contains 800 IBM ASIC chips, designed by Cray exclusively for the X1 and manufactured by IBM. The chips feature gate counts as high as 14.2 million, an average gate count of about 9.5 million, and a total gate count of about 7.5 billion (a gate is a basic logic circuit). The ASICs chips provide processing power for the new Cray system, and are used for both scalar computation and vector processing. The chips, arrayed on multi-chip modules (MCM), utilize IBM's advanced copper technology.
http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/news/2003/0102_cray.html
 

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would this lead to a much cheaper proc in the future, or a more expensive one?
 

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Originally posted by: Vespasian
The development will be supported by AMD and IBM engineers working together in IBM's Semiconductor Research and Development Center (SRDC) in IBM's East Fishkill, N. Y. facility. Work is expected to begin by January 30, 2003.
http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/news/2003/0108_amd.html


And in unrelated news:
Vespian, I wasnt questioning the validity, I just thought it sounded funny. :D
 

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Originally posted by: amdmang
would this lead to a much cheaper proc in the future, or a more expensive one?

Hopefully about the same. Right now, processors have been pretty cheap compared to a few years back when they were close to a grand for a top-of-the-line proc. This research will allow AMD to push to higher performance in the future.
 
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?We are set to commence production of our 90nm solutions in the fourth quarter of 2003, so we are now expanding process-technology development efforts for our next generation of processors targeted at 65nm and below,? said Bill Siegle, senior vice president, technology operations and chief scientist at AMD. ?By collaborating with an industry leader like IBM, AMD can deliver industry-leading performance and functionality for our customers while reducing the rapidly escalating cost of technology development.?

AMD and IBM will be able to use the jointly-developed technologies to manufacture products in their own chip fabrication facilities and in conjunction with selected manufacturing partners. The companies expect first products based on the new 65nm technologies to appear in 2005.
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_543~65496,00.html
 

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IBM is positioning itself for the mid- to low-range server market perhaps?
 

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GO AMD
GO BIG BOSS IBM

DIE INTEL DIE INTEL DIE

ALL INTEL KNOW IS HOW TO BRAINWASH PPLE!!!
Next time we go to Best Buy see an Intel REP JEER AT THEM!!!
 

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Originally posted by: nanyangview
GO AMD
GO BIG BOSS IBM

DIE INTEL DIE INTEL DIE

ALL INTEL KNOW IS HOW TO BRAINWASH PPLE!!!
Next time we go to Best Buy see an Intel REP JEER AT THEM!!!

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Originally posted by: nanyangview
GO AMD
GO BIG BOSS IBM

DIE INTEL DIE INTEL DIE

ALL INTEL KNOW IS HOW TO BRAINWASH PPLE!!!
Next time we go to Best Buy see an Intel REP JEER AT THEM!!!
Best post I've seen in months!!!