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Be interesting to see how this plays out...
Be interesting to see how this plays out...
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IAF aircraft blow up two bridges in central Gaza
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palehorse
Lifer
$%#$^%!!!! And some of you still blame Israel for the mess over there?! hell, some of you even thought that electing Hamas as "ok" when it happened...
And Syria allowing militias to operate out of their capital? no surprise there...
well, this is what you get. I wouldnt be surprised in Israel finally says "screw it," and flattens the whole ****** place. I'm $$^#^#$% sick of the militant Palestinians and their blatant terrorist behavior.
And Syria allowing militias to operate out of their capital? no surprise there...
well, this is what you get. I wouldnt be surprised in Israel finally says "screw it," and flattens the whole ****** place. I'm $$^#^#$% sick of the militant Palestinians and their blatant terrorist behavior.
Not at all... but I think that when the Israelis enter Gaza right now (which is almost sure to happen by morning, as far as I can see), anyone brandishing a weapon will be promptly killed.
The horror is going to come when the militants are going to start using civilians as human shields (which they've done all the time). Is there a non-bloody solution to it? I do not see one... God knows I want to. But politically, Israel is not in a position to negotiate right now... and they only way for them to ensure that a struggle for power within the Palestinian camp ends bloodily, abruptly, and soon, is to stage just such an attack. As strange as it sounds, they WANT the Palestinians to be united, because only if they are united, can any real negotiations take place. For as long as there are fringe groups that are not under the control of the PA, there can be no peace, because they will do everything in their power to disrupt it.
IDF forces have used Civillians as human shields repeatedly despite being told not to by the Israeli Supreme Court.
Any state will take measures to recover a captured soldier particularly one held by an unknown group of unstable millitants.
I would also dispute your statement that the PA is a negotiating partner. The PA you are referring to appears to be the Fatah led old line Palestinian government that was displaced by Hamas in the January elections. The PA is far too corrupt and innefectual to be a true negotiating partner.
Sharon had it right, this madness of settlement must be ended and the two populations must be seperated. Occupation will eventually destroy a democratic state particularly with such drastic demographic threats.
Zebo
Elite Member
Learn some history.
After 1400 years of one way slaughter coming from Arabs and they still fight with gloves on and let the enemy live in thier territory they are beyond forgiving and weak. I was being nice.
Since disengagment Palestinans have fired over 200 Qussam rockets into Israel whereever they hit was fine with the terrorists and have killed 10 Israelis in various skirmishes. Israel did nothing. What do you thnk would happen if someone fired 200 rockets at us?
TraumaRN
Diamond Member
BREAKING NEWS: IDF Forces entering Gaza...
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/06/27/israel.soldier/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/06/27/israel.soldier/index.html
The greatest slaughter of Jews in the last 1400 years in no way came from Arabs. In fact the safest place for Jews in that period was in Arab or Muslim controlled lands as opposed to the west.
As to the Qassam issue, it is a problem. But you obviously have no idea of the complex strategic and tactical decisions the Israel military must make on a regular basis.
Zebo
Elite Member
I did'nt say the greatest slaughter came from the Arabs. Populations have grown over the millenia so Hitler is #1 killer at the moment. I said the Arabs have been slaughtering and persecuting Jews for 1400 years and continue to do so today and Arabs will always continue to try. Here is a little History - http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths/mf15.html See "MYTH ?Jews who lived in Islamic countries were well-treated by the Arabs.?"
If you doubt that here is a former terrorist talking about how they are indoctrinated in Quran and Palestinian schools from day one to aspire to eliminiating JEWS. Listen to Ibrahim Abdullah he goes from days of Mo to current day and talks about his experiances as a terrorist.
As far as Israels strategic and tactical decisions, they arn't making any, just reacting. And will succumb militarly when as Islamic nations develop the means or demographically from within as Arabs have double the children of Jews.
Hamas will have to decide quickly who the represent and what type of government they want to have.
The IDF could end up leveling the camp and I would suspect that they are also planning some operations into Syria to clean up that mess.
The IDF could end up leveling the camp and I would suspect that they are also planning some operations into Syria to clean up that mess.
The only way Israel is leaving this Earth, is if taking the entire ME along for the ride.
No one would think of Jews as weak after speaking to the Golani (as I have) army units. They are truly courageous (not like the cowardly terrorists), determined, capable, and deeply intelligent. They love their land, and they are perfectly capable of successfully defending it against any foe.
Zebo
Elite Member
Meuge You're talking about soldiers, warriors! Of course they are Hard, and usually life long Likud members after seeing unbritled hate they have to confront after two years in the IDF/Sayeret Matkal.. I'm talking about the left (and of course Israeli Arabs who vote left), the "can't we all just get along crowd", the appeasers whom lots of Israelis are currently. The appeasers currently guide the country because they have majority in the Knesset who are giving legit land away only to get "rewarded" by more terror attacks and rockets. Idiots and suicidal. People like that will never understand there is no "solution" to the Jihad against Israel other than firmly holding all of the land held, land which Israel has claim though conquest, expelling arabs, and creating a nice buffer zone.
Maybe, but THAT won't stop terrorism either.
There is this foolish idea that you can win a war on terror through force alone...and I frankly don't know where it's coming from. You can defeat terrorists through direct use of force, but you can't defeat terrorism that way any more than you can defeat fascism or communism using force. We beat Germany and Japan in WWII, but fascism was defeated in those countries through more peaceful means. The same thing goes for terrorism, even if we decide genocide is the right answer (and God alone knows why we would), it's not going to help in the long run.
I didn't ask how we beat "them" (also, "fearing" is not a verb 😉). I asked how you beat terrorism (or fascism or communism for that matter). Even killing millions of people won't defeat terrorism, any more than nuking Japan defeated fascism. Terrorism is even worse, because all you need is a few nutjobs, not the resources of a whole country.
Of course that's not really the point, is it? The motivation behind nuking cities, killing millions of people, all that extreme violence, really has nothing to do with defeating anything, does it? I think more than anything, terrorism makes people angry. Understandable of course, but instead of dealing with that anger in a reasonable manner and getting on with the job of dealing with terrorists, people want to simply lash out and rip someone's face off. It really doesn't matter who, but Muslims are certainly a good target, and it's easy to gin up some flimsy pretext to blame all of them for something a relativly small number of them are doing. So, with your moral justification firmly in place, you feel really good about just killing a bunch of people...it's cathartic, really. Defeating terrorism is really secondary, if it even enters your thinking at all. Sure, that's what you CLAIM you want, but if you really wanted that you'd be able to take a reasonable approach instead of sounding like an angry caller to a right-wing radio show.