i7 950 to replace i7 940, i7 975 to replace i7 965

Idontcare

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Intel to update Core i7 processor product line of new models listed on the next quarter, clock re-enhancement

http://64.233.161.104/translat...vzc7-bdDWb4bWs2IkAyimQ

Nice table in the link. Prices stay the same.

965 gets phased out and replaced with the D0 stepping 975, stays at $999 per 1000.

940 gets phased out with the 950 (3.06 GHz, same QPI as 940), stays at $562 per 1000.

The 920 stays at same price ($284 per 1000) but will be phased out of old stepping and into the new stepping.

edit: so now we know why the 975 has such a small clockspeed boost over the 965. They widened the clockspeed delta between each i7 processor but kept the same price tier in place, tipping the performance/price more in favor of the higher end SKU's.

Come Q2 your i7 choices will be 3.33GHz, 3.06 GHz and 2.66 GHz.
 

Lonyo

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Not unusual.
Seems like this is likely to be the way i7 will go for a long while, although obviously the lowest end will see clock boosts eventually.
I think the most surprising thing is that they are doing it so soon after release.
The other choice would be to add more available SKU's, but since they have the i5 to (in theory) fill out the rest of the market, I would assume that maybe they don't see a need for 5 i7 SKU's and then 5 or w/e i5 ones (when they eventually launch).
 

polarbear6

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nice 3.06 ghz for 562$$$ mmmm muy bueno :p
i wonder whch class the 32nm would belong to ..
the core i7 or i5 or may be some different class (i think it should be called the core i8 :) cause its a major die shrink )
i surely would like to look at the faces of the sorry suckers who bought a 3.0 ghz chip for 999$$ :)) muahahahahahahha
 

Idontcare

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Originally posted by: ganesh1
i surely would like to look at the faces of the sorry suckers who bought a 3.0 ghz chip for 999$$ :)) muahahahahahahha

I'm fairly certain those folks don't see it as having bought a 3.2GHz chip (965 = 3.2GHz ;))...they see it as having bought a >4GHz chip that requires some BIOS work upon installation.

Conceptually not too different from installing DDR3-2000 ram but the system defaults it to DDR3-1333 SPD settings until you go into the BIOS and set it to your liking.

When I bought my QX6700 I never viewed it as being a 2.66GHz chip purchase. From the beginning my mental frame of reference always viewed it as a 3.7GHz chip (meaning I felt entitled to achieve that overclock as a minimum, and I hit 3.73GHz and was quite satisfied).

Were I to buy an i7 system today my decisions would NOT be "do I get the 2.66GHz chip for $290 or the 3.2GHz chip for $1000?"...rather my decision matrix would be "do I get the 3.6-3.8GHz 920 for $290 or the 4.2-4.6GHz 965 for $1k?".

Although in my case the clockspeeds would be a little more disparate as I am a phase user, so while my 920 clocks would still be bclock limited to around 3.8GHz regardless of cooling my 965 would likely reach closer to 5GHz at -40C thanks to the unlocked multis.

If someone has the dough to buy a 965 system but doesn't care to clock it above stock clocks then trust me they don't need our pity, they are flyin thru life in a pretty stress free relaxed lifestyle. I'm pretty sure Brittany Spears has the absolute best computer money can buy, and I'm pretty sure it is not overclocked, and I'm pretty sure she doesn't need us to feel any pity for her suffering with an over-priced under-clocked computer :p She'll get by. Lord I would love to (a) have the money, and (b) have so little demands on my time that I could buy extreme chips and run them at stock settings just because I can :)

(apologies in advance for making a Britney Spears analogy, I feel...sullied...just a little.)
 

polarbear6

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yeah but u pulled a 3.7 out a of a2.66 ghz chp
imagine what u could have done wid a 3 ghz chip
0.3 ghz is a extra thing which never goes unused

 

Idontcare

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Originally posted by: ganesh1
yeah but u pulled a 3.7 out a of a2.66 ghz chp
imagine what u could have done wid a 3 ghz chip
0.3 ghz is a extra thing which never goes unused

At the time a 2.66GHz kentsfield was the fastest stock-clock quad x86 chip available on open market. There were no 3GHz quad-core options then.
 

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Originally posted by: Idontcare


Come Q2 your i7 choices will be 3.33GHz, 3.06 GHz and 2.83 GHz.

Did you mean?
3.33Ghz 975
3.06Ghz 950
and
2.66Ghz 920
 

Idontcare

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Originally posted by: HOOfan 1
Originally posted by: Idontcare


Come Q2 your i7 choices will be 3.33GHz, 3.06 GHz and 2.83 GHz.

Did you mean?
3.33Ghz 975
3.06Ghz 950
and
2.66Ghz 920

Doh! Yep typo on that 920 clockspeed, will edit the OP. Thanks :beer:
 

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Originally posted by: HOOfan 1
Originally posted by: Idontcare


Come Q2 your i7 choices will be 3.33GHz, 3.06 GHz and 2.83 GHz.

Did you mean?
3.33Ghz 975
3.06Ghz 950
and
2.66Ghz 920

Did you mean?

4Ghz 975
4Ghz 950
and
4Ghz 920

:D

Edit:

3.8 - more realistic accross the board..
 

ajaidevsingh

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Originally posted by: ganesh1
yeah but u pulled a 3.7 out a of a2.66 ghz chp
imagine what u could have done wid a 3 ghz chip
0.3 ghz is a extra thing which never goes unused

It does not work like that..

2.66Ghz i7 920 of say stepping A1 will OC around the same as a A1 940 given the same setup.

EDIT:- I hope that there are no negative impacts of the raise speed to the electricity req. of the system.
 

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Originally posted by: Diogenes2
Originally posted by: HOOfan 1
Originally posted by: Idontcare


Come Q2 your i7 choices will be 3.33GHz, 3.06 GHz and 2.83 GHz.

Did you mean?
3.33Ghz 975
3.06Ghz 950
and
2.66Ghz 920

Did you mean?

4.1Ghz+ 975
4Ghz+ 950

and
4Ghz 920

:D

Edit:

3.8 - more realistic accross the board.. if you get a 920.


Fixed.

the 965 is i repeat NEVER A GOOD BUY.

the 965 is an imediate epenis enlargement to the max!. And automatic soap box dispenser!

the 965 and 975 should never ben labeled in the consumer group, because the niche it belongs to is very small.
 

ajaidevsingh

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Originally posted by: aigomorla
Originally posted by: Diogenes2
Originally posted by: HOOfan 1
Originally posted by: Idontcare


Come Q2 your i7 choices will be 3.33GHz, 3.06 GHz and 2.83 GHz.

Did you mean?
3.33Ghz 975
3.06Ghz 950
and
2.66Ghz 920

Did you mean?

4.1Ghz+ 975
4Ghz+ 950

and
4Ghz 920

:D

Edit:

3.8 - more realistic accross the board.. if you get a 920.


Fixed.

the 965 is i repeat NEVER A GOOD BUY.

the 965 is an imediate epenis enlargement to the max!. And automatic soap box dispenser!

the 965 and 975 should never ben labeled in the consumer group, because the niche it belongs to is very small.

To a certain extend i would say that the i7 platform gives you +2 inch's and adding a i965 instead of the i920 +4 inch's "thats double the inches"

But in reality i see no point of getting a unlocked multiplier for a hot chip and it is not even as bling-bling as the FX series were!!
 

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Reminds me of Sony and their PS3 marketing. 'Screw you guys, no price cuts for you, instead eat this new SKU with a bigger HD, the price ain't dropping'. Oh well, it's not really the CPU price that's breaking the deal with Core i7 but that's what came to mind.
 

Idontcare

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Originally posted by: aigomorla
the 965 is i repeat NEVER A GOOD BUY.

the 965 is an imediate epenis enlargement to the max!. And automatic soap box dispenser!

the 965 and 975 should never ben labeled in the consumer group, because the niche it belongs to is very small.

Yeah I would disagree with you Aigo by first arguing that there are two distinct markets to consider here...the upgrader versus the new system build.

A new system build is going to have a cost-structure that includes many more items on the bill than an (minor) upgrade might otherwise entail.

If I am running an antiquated Duron system and am looking to buy a complete new build for heavy gaming, by the time I am done adding up the build costs for a nice dual SLI or dual xfire setup, some 12GB of DDR3, a couple SSD's in a nice raid-0 card with onboard cache, picked up my new 30" Dell LCD, and my robust x58 board, and outfit it all with a *good* $800 water-cooling setup or phase...yeah at that point I'd be willing to spend another 7-10% more and get the 965 CPU that is going to make my system 7-10% faster versus skimping on the CPU to save a few percent on the overall system build.

But if I am looking to upgrade from a dual-core x48 DDR3 setup where all I need is a new mobo and a new CPU then I agree the dollar-value for 965 versus 920 certainly favors spending less.

Not everything in the performance enthusiast world is about e-peen. There are legitimate "time is money" consumers out there who are interested in simply spending less time but more money to extract a certain level of entertainment and value from their computers. We don't need to paint with such a large brush as to wholesale label 965 purchasers as people solely motivated by e-peen extensions IMO.
 

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Wait a minute.. did idc just mention Brittany Spears back there? I could have sworn I saw it...
 

Idontcare

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Originally posted by: magreen
Wait a minute.. did idc just mention Brittany Spears back there? I could have sworn I saw it...

Dam you google cache! Drunk posting ain't for maken pretty posting. I'm going to have to blame the Rothschild family for this one.
 

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Originally posted by: skinnee
Aigo, don't you have a 965?

Cam your baiting me for this huh?

And who did i help get a 965 also? *tisk tisk tisk*

LOL.... skinnee's a pal of mine i dragged onto the forum:
(HT Enabled, 8 threads) Sorry no HT overclocking is for weaklings. :rofl:

http://i125.photobucket.com/al.../aigomorla/Final-1.jpg

I got word i may get lucky and get a 975 next month. A big maybe.

If that happens Eva gets retired out along with my P6T, and i start on Haruhi Suzumiya my next monster rig.
 

Idontcare

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Originally posted by: aigomorla
I got word i may get lucky and get a 975 next month. A big maybe.

Just one? :p

Are you then going to retire the current 965 to a lifetime reliability test? I vote you see how long she lasts on-water at 1.65V. And to sweeten the deal I'll let you paypal me $25 if she makes it past 3 months. Any takers?
 

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I think he should just give it to you and see what it can do on phase. He can see his little baby grow up and be all that he can be.
 

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Originally posted by: TidusZ
I think he should just give it to you and see what it can do on phase. He can see his little baby grow up and be all that he can be.

his phase wont take it.

his phase is a standard phase.

For him to push it to the levels he want, he would burn his compressor out in a matter of months.

Retire means i will most likely pass it down my chain.
The day i start killing 1000 dollar chips for fun, is my wife getting mad at me and breaking it. (good thing im not married yet tho).
 

Idontcare

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Originally posted by: aigomorla
Originally posted by: TidusZ
I think he should just give it to you and see what it can do on phase. He can see his little baby grow up and be all that he can be.

his phase wont take it.

his phase is a standard phase.

For him to push it to the levels he want, he would burn his compressor out in a matter of months.

Retire means i will most likely pass it down my chain.
The day i start killing 1000 dollar chips for fun, is my wife getting mad at me and breaking it. (good thing im not married yet tho).

This baby holds 300W output from my 65nm B3 Kentsfield at 4GHz running small FFT :D

Don't knock'em just because the XS crowd thinks they are anemic ;)

I'm pretty sure I'll be Vcore limited on the i7 clockspeed long before I become cooling capacity limited from my "standard phase". :p

But if you don't believe me...why not push me that chip o'yours and call my bluff :laugh:
 

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Originally posted by: Idontcare

If someone has the dough to buy a 965 system but doesn't care to clock it above stock clocks then trust me they don't need our pity, they are flyin thru life in a pretty stress free relaxed lifestyle. I'm pretty sure Brittany Spears has the absolute best computer money can buy, and I'm pretty sure it is not overclocked, and I'm pretty sure she doesn't need us to feel any pity for her suffering with an over-priced under-clocked computer :p She'll get by. Lord I would love to (a) have the money, and (b) have so little demands on my time that I could buy extreme chips and run them at stock settings just because I can :)

(apologies in advance for making a Britney Spears analogy, I feel...sullied...just a little.)

I am uncertain of Britney's computer status. Perhaps she is still on single core.
 

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Hi guys,

I'm looking to purchase the I7 940 soon, but if they are releasing a faster stock replacement with new stepping (I7 950) for the same price, I may wait.

Any ideas when the I7 950 is likely to be released; I know the articles says Q2 '09, but do you guys know if this will be early Q2 (April time) or late Q2? If its earlier, then I'll wait, since the article indicated that the 950 will have better o/c headroom.

It'll be interesting to see how the 950 compares to the 965 at stock speeds.

Cheers.