the only problem i found with my 7700k was windows 11. which microsoft has only been more and more trash for constricting even tighter on their forced use of their bullcrap "features," but is really the only os for gaming so.
There's a lot of software out there that can load up 6c-8c CPUs with SMT. Quads just don't cut it anymore.
example or just video editing, virtual machine or emulation software? what you are talking about seems to have nothing to do with general users including gamers except for generally newer or unoptimized titles. higher core is always better unless its a crazy low frequency like old server cpus, but i think your going a little overboard.
Games. The 1% and .1% frametimes on quads are getting really bad.
so not only are you taking what you learned from youtube and applying it simply to cpus, but it sounds like you are saying that is ONLY core relative? but that is not necessarily the case. with the 7700k using the 1070, i noticed it on 1080p in ark on ultra, in 1080p in ultra ive been smooth sailing, when i switched to 4k (with my new 3070) i notice it which is why i know ive been bottlenecked by the 7700k ( maybe even, its not really a guarantee. in terms of newer games at high resolutions) BUT ALSO the latency of my 2400 mhz ram, its not only cpu and core dependent. Also I would say depending on the style of game ssd speed will help to have the textures pulled from faster to be rendered quicker as in open world games with high texture resolutions and lots of textures, so if i was to even upgrade my ram to 3k+ i could see less stuttering in ark at 4k. 4 core cpus are becoming redundant in terms of new gaming but so is the rest of the technology which is why we see upgrades on a constant.
No, and no. Try reading some major reviews of CPU releases dating back to the 8700k. Go on, I'll wait.
dont push around my comment. you understand what i said so ill leave it at that. and you have to agree on limitations of the rest of the hardware. theres no need for me to do that. 7700k has been flagship up until 10th gen really. but i didnt even want to switch then because despite cores its not enough of an actual performance gain. which means cores isnt MORE relative than anything else in terms of hardware
I understand that you're wrong.
thats very interesting information thank you. that makes core count look like a marketing scheme really unless people look into the full spec list. although it does play its part. i know very little about in depth pc information, but i know theres more to it than just core count and even though the cpu is the brains its not the end all be all.
Bottlenecked by the card. You want to run newer titles with newer dGPUs? Even a quad with newer core designs will struggle. Naturally you also get a lot more shared L3 with higher core counts . . .
I understand the points he/she is attempting to make, and I partially agree. But, this is the wrong thread for it. As we already discussed, the OP's primary usage i.e. VMs and Planet Coaster, will benefit significantly from the upgrade. The general relevance of 4/8 CPUs like the 7700k, a few days before the year 2022, is another discussion entirely.
i3-12100 may end up being faster than 7700K.I understand the points he/she is attempting to make, and I partially agree. But, this is the wrong thread for it. As we already discussed, the OP's primary usage i.e. VMs and Planet Coaster, will benefit significantly from the upgrade. The general relevance of 4/8 CPUs like the 7700k, a few days before the year 2022, is another discussion entirely.
It is all about what you can afford, what you are going to use it for, and what you can live with performance wise. There is no one size fits all. I spent 2006-2012 on console to game with me son. I got used to some pretty dastardly frame rates as the years went by. Didn't take much in the way of PC hardware to impress me after that.
yeah that was actually what kinda threw me off. just saying quad cores are irrelevant because of 1% timings that even his own video dismissed with consistent frames down to the .1% and pushing past any other point made. thats where i also stated affordability which is exactly why im jumping the wagon for the future but if the 12700k wasnt such a beast at the 350 i paid for it new i wouldnt have hehe. sadly as you state even with pre built systems and games that are supposed to be optimized for them, there is plenty of error no matter what console and its not usually down to the hardware.I understand the points he/she is attempting to make, and I partially agree. But, this is the wrong thread for it. As we already discussed, the OP's primary usage i.e. VMs and Planet Coaster, will benefit significantly from the upgrade. The general relevance of 4/8 CPUs like the 7700k, a few days before the year 2022, is another discussion entirely.
It is all about what you can afford, what you are going to use it for, and what you can live with performance wise. There is no one size fits all. I spent 2006-2012 on console to game with me son. I got used to some pretty dastardly frame rates as the years went by. Didn't take much in the way of PC hardware to impress me after that.
WOW lol. those are real budget cpus. and the price point is crazy. since learning about the caching i could definitely see it pulling ahead (though after hearing such firm arguments i didnt think id see a NEW 4 core again, which i was never expecting anyways) the base clock is just that, but the boost is almost the same.
part of the toxicity of pc master race, when somebody states something subjectively they always have to win. but your own video proved your initial point wrong no matter how much more you want to argue.
True, but it will still struggle in many software titles vs. the 12700k about which the OP is asking.
There is nothing toxic here, it's not like OP is being told to get a 12900k instead of a 12700k. The 12700k is modestly priced (at least as far as the CPU goes; platform/RAM is another matter). Fact is that anyone who wants to play any kind of game, much less run VMs, should not be buying quads in 2021/2022. Quads are relegated to the budget sector. They come with serious performance compromises.
but you didnt prove me wrong. everything SHOWS AND STATES that (even if very few) quad cores are still relevant for gaming for even modern titles. you are toxicity itself haha. i never said they should buy one either. i never did say either that nothing was better, you just cant discount quads from being performers despite being physically lacking. you have taken everything and pushed points with an agenda based on what you wanted to prove to me, but was never an issue to begin with. you said they get punched in the gut when it comes to .1% and 0.1% frametimes. so do 6 and 8 cores if you want to talk realistic fps hyperthreading is a different story but even 6c12t suffer, ALTHOUGH the discrepency between 0.1% and 1% frames and average frames is NOT ENOUGH to say there would noticeable stuttering based off that alone in your gamers nexus video. its realistic to say it could provide smooth gameplay provided you have decent hardware otherwise. but all youve done is a roundabout arguement over nothing but acting like i say more than i do.
I second that. Xbox Series X with Cyberpunk 2077, Control Ultimate Edition, Resident Evil 2/3 and Forza Horizon 3/4/5. Tons and tons of fun.
On an 8-core gaming platform. The irony is golden.
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