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I7 4790 non k enough for BF1?

what should i do?

  • drop in a $150 i7 4790 and a 16gb ddr3 1600 ram kit and be set?

    Votes: 1 6.3%
  • drop in a i5 8600k and buy 2x8gb ddr4 kit got friend who has a spare z370 motherboard

    Votes: 7 43.8%
  • Go with a Ryzen 2600 maybe?

    Votes: 8 50.0%

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mopardude87

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Currently running a system that has a Core i5 4670,a H81 motherboard with 8gb of ddr3 1333 ram and a 1070 ti.For now i am staying at 1080p but plan on maybe 1440p in the future.

I know the ram is a issue for sure,but ebay has plenty of $150 i7 4790 non k chips i could drop in and yeah i would need a entirely new 2x8gb kit as my current board has 2 ram slots.

Clearly see a cpu bottleneck till i apply about 150% scale resolution then still some maps like AMIENS we got the obvious pegged 100% cpu cores and it stutters like mad of course. Without resolution scale the i5 holds back the 1070ti and its sitting like at 50-70% gpu usage lol.

Anyone with this chip who can provide some insight?Should i drop this i7 in? I though about a i5 8600k set up but saw people just sitting yet at pegged cores again in some youtube videos.
 

epsilon84

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Just based on my experience, a 4790 will help a lot. Not to the extent that a 8600K will, but BF1 64p chokes on 4C/4T CPUs. 6C/6T is stronger than 4C/8T, especially as the 8600K will overclock to 5GHz with relative ease.

If you can get the 4790 for cheap, then I'll go down that route, especially since DDR3 is also cheaper. But I don't think it's worth $150 tbh. You can get a Ryzen 2600 for that price, brand new... Personally if it was more than $100 I'd pass.
 

Thunder 57

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I wouldn't invest any more money into a dead platform. If you can get a cheap i7, that may be an option. I would leave the RAM alone though. Not enough value to only move up one grade. The extra capacity would help, but probably not as much as you'd think.

From my own experience, I can tell you that there is a noticeable difference from a 3570k stock, and the same chip at 4.0GHz+. Mine is a poor clocker, so I leave it at 4.0 though 4.2 and even 4.4 are possible. Even with it being overclocked, a 3770 at stock would still beat it more often than not.

I think you would be much better off with an 8600k. If you are saying you can get a z370 board for free (or on the cheap) then that would probably be the way to go. Otherwise, I would look into a Ryzen 2600 with it's 6C/12T and build around that.
 
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epsilon84

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I wouldn't invest any more money into a dead platform. If you can get a cheap i7, that may be an option. I would leave the RAM alone though. Not enough value to only move up one grade. The extra capacity would help, but probably not as much as you'd think.

From my own experience, I can tell you that there is a noticeable difference from a 3570k stock, and the same chip at 4.0GHz+. Mine is a poor clocker, so I leave it at 4.0 though 4.2 and even 4.4 are possible. Even with it being overclocked, a 3770 at stock would still beat it more often than not.

I think you would be much better off with an 8600k. If you are saying you can get a z370 board for free (or on the cheap) then that would probably be the way to go. Otherwise, I would look into a Ryzen 2600 with it's 6C/12T and build around that.
On the whole I agree with you. However if the OP can sell the 4670 and existing RAM for a decent price then the net cost of the upgrade could be quite cheap, it should be about $200 cheaper than the 8600K option.

It really depends on how much he wants to spend, I'm kinda in the same boat for my 'spare' PC, has an i5 6400 in it, I could get a 6700K or 7700K but it's not worth it, I may as well get a Ryzen 2600 and an up to date platform for the same price.
 

mopardude87

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I got a buddy who is loaning me a z370 actually as he mistakenly thought a 7700k would work with it. I will buy it but for now its on loan. Now if i get a i5 8400 or i5 8600k idk. Need to see if this board can overclock.Benchmarks keep putting the 8400 right above the 7700k and other like 4c/8 thread chips.

Have not kept up much with this new stuff its just so often and constant with the updates to the stuff.
 

ChronoReverse

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My i74770k was plenty for BF1. The HT actually gives it significant leg up over the i5 of the same generation my friend had.
 

mopardude87

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My i74770k was plenty for BF1. The HT actually gives it significant leg up over the i5 of the same generation my friend had.
This i kind of figured not looking for a billion fps but smoother gameplay over what the i5 offers.Obviously not looking into 100% cpu usage either which i guess the 6 core non ht chips can do still.Idk i check out youtube gameplay videos and see how people run their set ups.Half the videos are recorded using shadowplay and well that doesn't help at all does it?

Anything 8 threaded seems to keep usage down but i guess max fps still is given to the later coffee lake cpus.
 

mopardude87

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I think you would be much better off with an 8600k. If you are saying you can get a z370 board for free (or on the cheap) then that would probably be the way to go. Otherwise, I would look into a Ryzen 2600 with it's 6C/12T and build around that.
Gave thought to something like Ryzen 2600 as well or a 4 core 8 thread version of it.Usually have stuck to intel cause of its higher IPC and the i5 has held ground for years but have heard these Ryzen chips give intel a run for the money. The newer cpu benchmarks toss out all the older i5 chips so where this i5 4670 lands compared to a 2600 is anyones guess. At least from videos on youtube and peoples accounts it does appear you want at least 8 threads in BF1 and perhaps Ryzen can deliver?

Main goal is to keep a upgrade of sorts to about $400 max, I don't care about max fps but smooth gameplay so i could give up 10fps if minimums can stay over 60.I don't need to overclock so a cheaper board for a 2600 would be good but the all expensive ddr4 puts in a good dent too.
 

coercitiv

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Main goal is to keep a upgrade of sorts to about $400 max, I don't care about max fps but smooth gameplay so i could give up 10fps if minimums can stay over 60.I don't need to overclock so a cheaper board for a 2600 would be good but the all expensive ddr4 puts in a good dent too.
New socket 1151/AM4 platform is definitely worth over the $150 Haswell upgrade. Just look for good prices on parts, whether it's a good deal from a friend, a decent memory kit come Black Friday, some cpu/mb bundle etc. You should also keep in mind you don't necessarily need the 8600K, the 8500/8600 will get the job done as well.
 
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mopardude87

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Think i may go to the i5 8400 route,find a 16gb kit and use the z370 my buddy has. . All reviews show the i5 8400 still whopping the Ryzen 2600 and if i am gonna upgrade i mind as well do it right.

Up to now i felt absolutely no reason to upgrade but suddenly games are putting even my i5 4670 under the minimum requirements and its just crazy.
 

mopardude87

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I guess the biggest issue is if i could install 7 on Coffee lake minus all the drivers obviously given the support i hear then do the tool update and upgrade to 10 or would i be locked out completely?Depending on that hassle i just may drop in the i7 4790 and be done with it.

I got a copy of windows 7 only.
 

JimKiler

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a 4790 is below the minimum requirements so i would not go that route. Although i have a 4790K and so far i do not see any issues playing this game.
 

ChronoReverse

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coercitiv

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I guess the biggest issue is if i could install 7 on Coffee lake minus all the drivers obviously given the support i hear then do the tool update and upgrade to 10 or would i be locked out completely?Depending on that hassle i just may drop in the i7 4790 and be done with it.

I got a copy of windows 7 only.
In theory the Win 10 upgrade from Win 7 is no longer available, however last time I checked the servers still allow the upgrade, meaning all you need is an older build of Win 10.

Once you perform the upgrade you will have 2 options: either update the system until it reaches current build, or simply redo a clean install of win 10 using the latest build. I would recommend the later, it saves time and is more likely to be optimal software wise as well.
 

DominionSeraph

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Did they update the Windows 10 install ISO to no longer take Win 7 keys? I have one that still works fine.
 

coercitiv

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Did they update the Windows 10 install ISO to no longer take Win 7 keys? I have one that still works fine.
Come to think of it, I kinda took the ISO version requirement for granted (based on what I read at the time) maybe it works just fine with newer builds as well.
 

mopardude87

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Yes its very possible to upgrade from 7 to 10 for free still,done it to a couple computers just this week.

Fixed this post as a friend just gifted me a copy of Windows 10 on disc for the many times i helped him on his pc over the years.Now to choose which chip to get.
 
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epsilon84

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a 4790 is below the minimum requirements so i would not go that route. Although i have a 4790K and so far i do not see any issues playing this game.
BF1 needs 8 threads to run smoothly (within reason) ie. I don't think a Bulldozer era AMD FX CPU would run it well but even a 2600K would do OK, better than a 4670 anyway.
 

imported_bman

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The 4790 non k will be more than enough for BF1, I recently picked one up used with a Z97 mobo for cheap and have no issues getting over 60 fps with a 1080 at 4k with 75% resolution scaling.

You also might be able to lock all the cores at 4GHz and try to overclock the base frequency. I am able to get 4.2GHz on all cores using 105 bclk and locking the turbo ratios. I know this is an option on all Z series mobo, not sure about the H series.
 

mopardude87

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BF1 needs 8 threads to run smoothly (within reason) ie. I don't think a Bulldozer era AMD FX CPU would run it well but even a 2600K would do OK, better than a 4670 anyway.
Yeah believe me i wanted to drop in a i7 4790 non k into this badly but needing to replace both ram sticks to get 16gb and the cost of the i7 4790 it may be a smarter move to get a i5 8400.
 

mopardude87

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H81 i use has no front usb 3.0 header so my Antec 900 case looks like a retard with its 3.0 ports there and not being able to be used outside of converting them to 2.0 using a $5 adapter from Newegg. The H81 only offers pci express 2.0 speeds at max so imagine how much i may have been missing out on with my 1070ti lol and it has only 1 fan header not including the one for cpu. Antec 900 i plan to mod and well any pwm fan control would be great of course.

The Z370 i am getting loaned to me has pci express 3.0, dual usb 3.0 headers and has 3 pwm fan ports and cpu one as well. Perfect for what i plan on doing with my 900. Let those pwm control the fan hitting the gpu on the side my rear and the top 200mm. Got them kind of at medium but i hate lack of control and oh the noise.Don't need this much just sitting here typing into a forum lol.

Who knows i am waiting on a settlement some months from now i may eventually drop in the core i9 9900k and give the finger pretty much to any sort of possible cpu issue i could run into lol.
 

epsilon84

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H81 i use has no front usb 3.0 header so my Antec 900 case looks like a retard with its 3.0 ports there and not being able to be used outside of converting them to 2.0 using a $5 adapter from Newegg. The H81 only offers pci express 2.0 speeds at max so imagine how much i may have been missing out on with my 1070ti lol and it has only 1 fan header not including the one for cpu. Antec 900 i plan to mod and well any pwm fan control would be great of course.

The Z370 i am getting loaned to me has pci express 3.0, dual usb 3.0 headers and has 3 pwm fan ports and cpu one as well. Perfect for what i plan on doing with my 900. Let those pwm control the fan hitting the gpu on the side my rear and the top 200mm. Got them kind of at medium but i hate lack of control and oh the noise.Don't need this much just sitting here typing into a forum lol.

Who knows i am waiting on a settlement some months from now i may eventually drop in the core i9 9900k and give the finger pretty much to any sort of possible cpu issue i could run into lol.
Since you're getting a loaner Z370 an i5 8400/8500 is probably better value than a 8600K, I personally wouldnt spend close to $300 on a 6C/6T CPU when you can get 6C/12T for $150 with a Ryzen 2600.

Also, if you don't mind buying second hand, I can imagine a few people selling off their 8700Ks due to upgrading to a 9900K, I'm already seeing this in Australia and the market price for a used 8700K is similar to a new 8600K. Short of a 9900K/9700K a 8700K is basically as 'future proof' of a gaming chip as you can get and you won't need to upgrade for many years, unlike a 8600K which may run into the same problems as your 4670 down the line in being thread limited.
 
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I wouldn't invest any more money into a dead platform. If you can get a cheap i7, that may be an option. I would leave the RAM alone though. Not enough value to only move up one grade. The extra capacity would help, but probably not as much as you'd think.

From my own experience, I can tell you that there is a noticeable difference from a 3570k stock, and the same chip at 4.0GHz+. Mine is a poor clocker, so I leave it at 4.0 though 4.2 and even 4.4 are possible. Even with it being overclocked, a 3770 at stock would still beat it more often than not.

I think you would be much better off with an 8600k. If you are saying you can get a z370 board for free (or on the cheap) then that would probably be the way to go. Otherwise, I would look into a Ryzen 2600 with it's 6C/12T and build around that.
Saying a 3770 not OC'd would beat a 3570K Oc'd is patently false. Simply find old reviews where every site recommended the i5 over the i7 unless you are encoding. I am typing on a worthless thinkpad T430s with i7 processor. I have another thinkpad with a i5 processor of the same model. I do not notice any difference other than resale value.

As far as not being a good Ocing chip you have. That is simply pathetic only getting 4-4.2ghz considering the turbo is 3.8ghz. You clearly do not know what you are doing. All they ivy bridge CPU's OC to 4.5ghz with very little effort. On air I had my vcore at 1.22v @ 4.5ghz but got a few blue screens and pumped up the voltage to 1.26v

I run BF1 @ 1660p with high settlings and get 60fps.
 

mopardude87

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Since you're getting a loaner Z370 an i5 8400/8500 is probably better value than a 8600K, I personally wouldnt spend close to $300 on a 6C/6T CPU when you can get 6C/12T for $150 with a Ryzen 2600.
The core i5 8400 is $220 on Newegg atm and if i could get a compatible motherboard for ryzen for about $70 then heck yeah i could look into this as a possibility as well. Need to look into benchmarks though.Intel usually is IPC king and i play many older games that run fine on a quad core so if i lose any performance over my 4670 is up for debate. GTA V is maybe the one game minus BF1 where i need a serious boost in performance. I dip into the 50s enough in GTA V and that is cause of my cpu. BF1 well you know i just need more threads.
 

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