Discussion i7-11700K preliminary results

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blckgrffn

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Are they going to produce 11th-Gen (True 11th-Gen, with the Xe graphics) Celeron/Pentium Gold CPUs? Because those might have some value for desktop work and online video-watching/HTPC applications.

The reason is, finally, with 11th-Gen, Intel will now support 4K UHD @ 60Hz, over HDMI2.0, rather than limited to 4K UHD @ 30Hz over HDMI 1.4 (*) like 10th-Gen ("Gen 9 iGPU") and below. (*) Speaking strictly of the HDMI output, which is the most commonly-used, I believe. Intel CPUs older than 11th-Gen could do 4K UHD @ 60Hz over DisplayPort, but who has a TV that takes DP?

My understanding is no. The 10th Gen little cores (quads and down?) stick around.
 

gdansk

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Uffda. I bet Intel is unhappy with the 11700K being reviewed first. Presumably the 11900K would look a bit better compared to the 5800X.
 

Makaveli

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Uffda. I bet Intel is unhappy with the 11700K being reviewed first. Presumably the 11900K would look a bit better compared to the 5800X.

The 11900K will indeed be faster but if the 11700k is doing almost 300 watts with AVX 512 code what is the 11900K going to do since it clocks higher?

If i was going intel right I would either go comet lake with all the discounts or just wait for Alderlake at the end of the year. Rocket Lakes S just doesn't look that great.
 

Hail The Brain Slug

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The 11900K will indeed be faster but if the 11700k is doing almost 300 watts with AVX 512 code what is the 11900K going to do since it clocks higher?

If i was going intel right I would either go comet lake with all the discounts or just wait for Alderlake at the end of the year. Rocket Lakes S just doesn't look that great.

Since rocketlake is backported sunny cove cores, won't alder lake perform darn near identical per clock as rocket lake? Excepting any memory bound scenarios that the move to DDR5 improves.

Last I checked 10nm will clock either lower or on par with 14nm once Intel migrates to it for desktop. That sort of seems like it's putting a lid on how fast alder lake can be, and that lid is still not quite as good as Zen 3, let alone Zen 4 which will be coming out probably Q1 2022.

Also, do we really believe intel can get alder lake out the door this year given how awful their track record has been? Especially how late in 2021 rocketlake is launching.

less than 9 month product cycle? I am extremely skeptical.
 

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Since rocketlake is backported sunny cove cores, won't alder lake perform darn near identical per clock as rocket lake? Excepting any memory bound scenarios that the move to DDR5 improves.

Last I checked 10nm will clock either lower or on par with 14nm once Intel migrates to it for desktop. That sort of seems like it's putting a lid on how fast alder lake can be, and that lid is still not quite as good as Zen 3, let alone Zen 4 which will be coming out probably Q1 2022.

Also, do we really believe intel can get alder lake out the door this year given how awful their track record has been? Especially how late in 2021 rocketlake is launching.

less than 9 month product cycle? I am extremely skeptical.

Alder Lake is Golden Cove + Gracemont, not Willow Cove.
 

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What the... I looked at those benchmarks with eyes wide open marveled by how good Zen 3 is. I'm seeing and not believing, that AMD went from Streamrollar to Zen 3 in such a short time and Intel, even considering the fab problems, is being left behind, really behind.

If AMD put some AVX-512 sauce for selected cases on Zen 4 Intel is doomed!?
 

UsandThem

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If AMD put some AVX-512 sauce for selected cases on Zen 4 Intel is doomed!?
Intel increased its market share last quarter, so they aren't "doomed" by any means. AMD has shown it is extremely supply constrained, and it wouldn't surprise me if Intel ends up gaining more market share in their next reported results.

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...r-the-first-time-in-three-years-toms.2590376/

I think AMD has the best CPUs at the moment, but Intel was the one able to maintain good retail/OEM availability on most of their CPU lineup. Just within the last couple of weeks it's been somewhat easy to buy some of Ryzen 5000 series CPU without using 3rd party sellers.
 

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Intel increased its market share last quarter, so they aren't "doomed" by any means. AMD has shown it is extremely supply constrained, and it wouldn't surprise me if Intel ends up gaining more market share in their next reported results.

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...r-the-first-time-in-three-years-toms.2590376/

I think AMD has the best CPUs at the moment, but Intel was the one able to maintain good retail/OEM availability on most of their CPU lineup. Just within the last couple of weeks it's been somewhat easy to buy some of Ryzen 5000 series CPU without using 3rd party sellers.

Intel has “survived” this before and they will again, surely. There is too much demand for silicon for their CPUs and the Fabs to idle.

Whether we get a Conroe revolution and a resurgence or more of a slow drift into IBM obsolescence driven by slavery to shareholders, IDK.
 

UsandThem

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Intel has “survived” this before and they will again, surely. There is too much demand for silicon for their CPUs and the Fabs to idle.

Whether we get a Conroe revolution and a resurgence or more of a slow drift into IBM obsolescence driven by slavery to shareholders, IDK.
Intel has had quite the shake-up in leadership over the last year, so we will likely know the answer to that question in the next 3-5 years.

Until then, hopefully AMD and Intel can release products similar in performance (and have good availability) so they are forced to battle each other in pricing. AMD has increased its MSRP quite dramatically over the last two Ryzen generations as Intel hasn't had anything new to counter their CPUs (unless you think each Skylake revision is technically a new product). However, despite Intel's manufacturing issues getting off of 14nm, they have become extremely aggressive on pricing (and they can supply enough CPUs on that node).
 

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What the... I looked at those benchmarks with eyes wide open marveled by how good Zen 3 is. I'm seeing and not believing, that AMD went from Streamrollar to Zen 3 in such a short time and Intel, even considering the fab problems, is being left behind, really behind.

If AMD put some AVX-512 sauce for selected cases on Zen 4 Intel is doomed!?

The worst thing is how it loses to the 10700K in half the games, and sometimes by a decent margin. I don't know why anyone would buy this over the 10700K or upgrade from it.
 
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This thing(11700K) needs to be priced at most $350, else it will end up as completely irrelevant, though I suspect it won't be so, because Intel's gonna Intel.

Alder Lake has a high probability of bombing too, given Intel's recent track record with anything related to hardware(including i225V woes) and especially on the CPU side(10nm woes, 7nm slippage, Tiger Lake IPC regression, and now Rocket Lake).
 

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Today has shown us that there's only one sane x86 vendor left in the industry and that's not Intel. I have very little faith that their 10nm process will change the outcome. At best what they can hope for is parity at their current performance level with 10nm ...

I suggest that Intel should temporarily withdraw their participation from setting standards for x86 ISA implementations because they're obviously not competent anymore to lead in that domain. Intel's biggest competitor now more than ever should be more confident in their ability to craft new technical contributions to define future x86 ISA implementations and dictate new x86 ISA extensions ...
 
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Wow, basically DOA. Yikes.


TL/DR - Slower at games than 9th and 10th gen parts on the regular. Uses more power.

Kudos to Anandtech for a rare scoop.
Absolute garbage performance overall especially for gaming, where it actually regresses. And yet again power consumption is jacked up to all new levels.

I remember being told for years that IPC uplift is dead. Then AMD came along and leap-frogged Intel, with the next Ryzen expecting another large boost. In reality the problem was an incompetent chip monopoly sitting on 14nm++++++++ that was happy to sell you +5% with a solder-less IHS and new motherboard every 18 months.
 

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Rocket Lake IGP wasn't benchmarked to see how it does against the Vega on Renoir/Cezanne. The IGP may be the only thing that could save this rocketwreck from exploding right after launch, assuming that Intel provides certain features like SR-IOV on the IGP to support multiple vGPU instances in virtualization scenarios. Intel seems to have discontinued GVT-g that did the same in previous generations because the new GPU architecture was going to do it the SR-IOV way instead of Software mediated, but I didn't hear any confirmation nor demo that it indeed does work. It may be the only thing that may make me remotely consider it for anything.
 

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Will a microcode update be able to lower L3 cache latency from ~51 back to ~43 cycles?
That change astonished me the most. AMD was fighting high latency in its Ryzen CPUs all these times. Now Intel voluntarily gives up this advantage?
Ugh I thought the L3 latency was partially a firmware bug, but the phrasing in the article leads me to believe otherwise.

Whelp.
 

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Gamers won't buy it because Ryzen 5000 series will be better. Content creators and prosumers won't buy it because its limited to 8-core. And no one will be okay with 200-250 watt power consumption, especially with inferior performance.

Worst performance than last-gen and crazy power consumption.. Does this remind anyone of Bulldozer?
 

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it looks OK, if priced correctly it can be a good product in general,
also if AVX512 gets used it can be a great CPU, but in general it's hard not to feel some disappointment looking at these results, specially for gaming
 

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Ian said in the Reddit thread that he was using the latest beta BIOS from the motherboard supplier and the supplier did not know when the next BIOS from Intel is due.

We know it can make a difference because look at OG Zen from the launch BIOS to a few months later, not sure that much will change between now and the official launch though.

I think the interesting thing to look at from the likes of GN etc will be how much tuned memory affects performance and if RL has more memory tuning headroom then Zen 3.
Yea, disappointing gaming results so far, but I would wait for more tests from other sites, (with final bios and memory optimization). Anand's gaming tests use a very strange combination of settings, too say the least.
 
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Timorous

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Performance results of this CPU are all over the place. What are people doing wrong?

Latency sensitivity. It seems a good upgrade over skylake in non latency sensitive workloads but is a regression in latency sensitive tasks like gaming. Maybe other testers are using tuned memory which helps but then you really should test tuned ram for all the platforms. I am sure GN / HUB will do some memory tuning testing and like for like comparisons around lunch day.
 

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Wow this is not looking good at all. Now it may be too early to tell performance for sure, but based on prelimary tests, Intel should have just launched Comet lake with PCIe 4, and stuck with that, or do a comet lake refresh with PCIe 4. This change in architecture and drop in cores is no bueno.

I was tempted on the 10900k, but decided to stick with 3700X and X570 at the time due to PCIe 4. Glad I did now with Zen 3 having great performance, even though I don't have a 5900X yet, I at least have a 5800X. My advice now for anyone looking to a new Intel platform, would be to wait for Alder lake. Now if you don't need newest, you could always look at the used market. Or you could try to buy/build a Zen 2 or 3 based system...
 
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