i5-8600k Vs i7-8700 Vs i5-8500 Vs Ryzen5 1600X Vs Ryzen5 2ndGen [ Please exclude OC ] With GTX 1060

[rainydayfund]

Hello World,

I understand this is quite a debated topic now and has been answered lot of times , but more i read about it more confused i get.

I'm a first time PC builder and i want it purely for gaming.

I don't want to get into OC stuff , i don't want to do that.

Please provide with your valuable feedback considering Multi-threading importance for newer games and Post Meltdown-Patch-Fix-Performance issues.

Appreciate your response and thanks in advance!


EDIT : I'm also keeping my option open to GTX 1070.(Apologies for not being clear at once) I would be gaming on 32" 1920x1080p@60 Hz TV (IPS).

 

[Shmee]

Hmm, I cannot say for sure as I do not know yet the actual gaming performance of 2nd gen Ryzen, but of what is known, I would get the 8700k. Even though you may not OC it, it does turbo higher than the non k counterpart. This is without touching anything in BIOS.

This is assuming you want the best game performance. If the 8700k is out of the budget or you want to save some money, I would consider the 8400 and other coffeelake i5's, as well as next gen Ryzens.

 

[TheGiant]

Hello there,

if you can not wait for 2 weeks:

depends on your game preferences. If you game in heavy multiplayer my choice is I7-8700K. If its single player then you can save some money with i5-8500 or if you like to overclock then i5-8600k. Ryzen is a no for me for pure gaming.

if you can wait for 2 weeks:
lets wait for ryzen 2 and make a choice- my guess it will not change the position of 8700k, but for gtx1060 it will be more than sufficient

my personal bet- ryzen 2

 

[rainydayfund]

Hmm, I cannot say for sure as I do not know yet the actual gaming performance of 2nd gen Ryzen, but of what is known, I would get the 8700k. Even though you may not OC it, it does turbo higher than the non k counterpart. This is without touching anything in BIOS.

This is assuming you want the best game performance. If the 8700k is out of the budget or you want to save some money, I would consider the 8400 and other coffeelake i5's, as well as next gen Ryzens.

Thanks for your response.

8700K is out of my budget , so should i go with 8500 or 8600k ? I dont want to risk OC , but i want to get the fastest CPU i can afford.

 

[rainydayfund]

Hello there,

if you can not wait for 2 weeks:

depends on your game preferences. If you game in heavy multiplayer my choice is I7-8700K. If its single player then you can save some money with i5-8500 or if you like to overclock then i5-8600k. Ryzen is a no for me for pure gaming.

if you can wait for 2 weeks:
lets wait for ryzen 2 and make a choice- my guess it will not change the position of 8700k, but for gtx1060 it will be more than sufficient

my personal bet- ryzen 2

Thanks for replying.

I can wait for 2 weeks. I'll play single player , so as per your recommendation , for example can i play squadron42 with 8600k/8500 + Gtx 1060.

 

[ZGR]

A GTX 1060 is not enough for Squadron 42, unless you are going to play at all low settings at 30-40fps.

SC destroys GPUs. It is fine for older CPUs.

 

[rainydayfund]

A GTX 1060 is not enough for Squadron 42, unless you are going to play at all low settings at 30-40fps.

SC destroys GPUs. It is fine for older CPUs.

Ok , So which CPU+GPU do you recommend for playing Squadron42 / SC. I am Ok with playing on medium graphics , I just want smoother gameplay. Also i would like to keep it in budget as much possible.

Thanks!

 

[xblax]

i7-8700(k) or Ryzen 2600(X) will both be good choices for a modern gaming build. Don't buy 6-cores without HT/SMT - they will be outdated faster than one would assume. Even old generation i7s can execute 8 threads simultaneously. With Intel's alleged 8-core CPUs coming, 6/12 threads will probably be the new i5.

 

[NinjaCool]

You list the 8600k so I assume you are willing to spend max $250 for a new CPU.

The 8500 and especially the 8600k is a fast 6 Core CPU but they both lack any additional threads.
This could be an issue in the long run when games starts to use more cores.

The Ryzen 2 2600 ($199) and 2600x ($249) are both upcoming 6 Core CPU’s with 12 threads.
They all include CPU coolers in the packages. Intel K models all lack CPU coolers such as the 8600k.

Launching with the Ryzen 2 are also new motherboards with small enhancements and tweaks, like support for faster DDR4 ram speeds.
Ryzen CPU’s loves fast ram so 3200 MHz DDR4 ram would be ideal for a nice boost in FPS.

Expect a bunch of reviews of Ryzen 2 CPUs and motherboards to come out when Ryzen 2 releases, including how ram speeds impacts the new Ryzen 2

 

[ZGR]

Ok , So which CPU+GPU do you recommend for playing Squadron42 / SC. I am Ok with playing on medium graphics , I just want smoother gameplay. Also i would like to keep it in budget as much possible.

Thanks!

Assuming this is 1080p60? SC/S42 is mainly GPU limited. Even the old Quad cores and new i3's are plenty fast.

My 1070 can barely do 60fps at 1080p, and can scrape by at 30fps for 2160p.

I would say a 1080 is minimum, but that is not a friendly price.

S42 isn't out anytime soon, and SC is very rough around the edges, so I would advise waiting if I were you. If you own Star Citizen and want to play it now, sure go for the GTX 1060, but don't be surprised by low fps.

If you want to play other games now, the 1060 is a fine 1080p60 GPU, but not for SC.

This year should bring the new 2000 series from Nvidia which is why I would wait.

 

[formulav8]

Either of the CPU's listed will bottleneck that video card. I say get an R5 1600x and have a drop in upgrade path in the future. The z370 platform looks to be a dead end.

 

[Phynaz]

Either of the CPU's listed will bottleneck that video card. I say get an R5 1600x and have a drop in upgrade path in the future. The z370 platform looks to be a dead end.

Nothing about a future upgrade path is guaranteed. And it most certainly will not be a drop in upgrade.

 

[formulav8]

Ryzen 2 and Zen 2 are drop ins. He would already have a CPU (1600x) to flash the bios. And it definitely has a better upgrade possibility than z370. AM4 is said to have future CPU support through 2020 which is when Zen 3 comes out. That is probably when a new memory standard is going to become available, along with PCI-Express 5.0 needing to be implemented.

 

[Phynaz]

Ryzen 2 and Zen 2 are drop ins. He would already have a CPU (1600x) to flash the bios. And it definitely has a better upgrade possibility than z370. AM4 is said to have future CPU support through 2020 which is when Zen 3 comes out. That is probably when a new memory standard is going to become available, along with PCI-Express 5.0 needing to be implemented.

BIOS flash required = not a drop in

Will you guarantee with your own $ that he has an upgrade path for the next three years? That his board will get the needed BIOS updates?

AMD has pulled the rug out from under their users many times, as recently as Bulldozer. Using future upgradabilaty as a buying decision is just dumb, unless you have the ability to predict the future.

 

[formulav8]

He will already have a compatible CPU to upgrade the bios. That's pretty much drop-in. Many keep their bios updated anyways even if not getting a new CPU. AMD has had some quirks in the past but they have been very open and firm on their future upgrade path for AM4. I guess we will see in about a year or so when Zen2 comes out. He can also upgrade to Ryzen 2nd and/or an 8 core CPU as well if he wants more in the future.

 

[Phynaz]

You didn't answer my question. Will you guarantee his future upgradabilty?

 

[formulav8]

Huh? Why would I guarantee something I don't own? If the Zen2 upgrade doesn't happen on AM4 then that's on AMD. So I don't get why you would ask me that.

 

[Phynaz]

Because you are advising him to make a purchase based upon that alleged upgradability. But it seems you aren't willing to put your money where your mouth is.

His loss, not yours if you predicted the future wrong.

CPU upgradability is really a dumb buying criteria. Spend $200 - $300 for a ~10% CPU performance increase (which is meaningless for gaming) and still be stuck on an old platform. Not the best value around.

Your advice of buying the slower gaming CPU today, so that he may have the ability to spend hundreds more on a new CPU in a year or two that may or may not catch up to today's best gaming CPU, is rather ill-advised.

 

[formulav8]

So AMD is lying then?

 

[coercitiv]

But it seems you aren't willing to put your money where your mouth is.

Because every advice given on this forum needs to be backed by hard cash, not hard facts.

 

[IRobot23]

go with ryzen,
get fast ram,
enjoy

 

[Phynaz]

So AMD is lying then?

Absolutely nowhere did I say that. Do not attempt to put words in my mouth.

AMD is stating what their future plans are, and plans change. AMD is also not responsible for getting BIOS updates to end users.

A couple of examples:
Quadfather was supposed to have a drop in replacement for quad core CPU's. Never happened.
Only 50% of Bulldozer boards ever got a BIOS update allowing the use of later CPU's.

 

[Roger Wilco]

Wait for Ryzen 2 to roll out and reevaluate your options. Intel will almost certainly hold the gaming crown, but AMD will continue to shake things up with pricing and improved performance.

As things stand now:
Best long-term performance - Get the 8700k+cooler or the 1800x

Cheaper - 8700 or the 1700X

Bang for buck - 8600k+cooler or the 1600x+cooler

 

[Phynaz]

Because every advice given on this forum needs to be backed by hard cash, not hard facts.

What hard facts? Company plans that are years out in the future? Those are not facts, they are presumptions that even AMD puts disclaimers on.

Another example: ARM CPU's - project cancelled. There sure were a lot of "facts" presented for that project. All with a fine print disclaimer saying "it's not our fault if none of this turns out to be true".

Buy for today, not for what may happen tomorrow.

 

[IRobot23]

What hard facts? Company plans that are years out in the future? Those ....

just stop