Question i5-14400 in a prebuilt system: rebadged Alder Lake or Raptor Lake

[Dave3000]

I thinking about buying a low-end pre-built system for a family member as a Christmas gift to replace her 15 year old PC, which is also a low-end tier, and I was considering one with an i5-14400 if it's actually a rebadged Alder Lake. I don't want to buy one with a Raptor Lake inside. I heard that early steppings of the 14400 are actually based on Alder Lake and the later steppings are based on Raptor Lake, so it's the luck of the draw if I end up with one with a rebadged Alder Lake i5-14400. I was consider a PowerSpec B687 and a HP OmniDesk S301-0041, but what are the chances of those having the Alder Lake based i5-14400? Otherwise I might get her a Dell Slim ECS1250 that has the i3-14100 (all those ones are based on Alder Lake right?).

 

[Thunder 57]

I thinking about buying a low-end pre-built system for a family member as a Christmas gift to replace her 15 year old PC, which is also a low-end tier, and I was considering one with an i5-14400 if it's actually a rebadged Alder Lake. I don't want to buy one with a Raptor Lake inside. I heard that early steppings of the 14400 are actually based on Alder Lake and the later steppings are based on Raptor Lake, so it's the luck of the draw if I end up with one with a rebadged Alder Lake i5-14400. I was consider a PowerSpec B687 and a HP OmniDesk S301-0041, but what are the chances of those having the Alder Lake based i5-14400? Otherwise I might get her a Dell Slim ECS1250 that has the i3-14100 (all those ones are based on Alder Lake right?).

There was some rebading going on. I'm not the best one to ask maybe one of our resident Intel specialists might know more (Calling you @511 ). One way to easily tell is by the amount of cache. Alder Lake has 1.25MB/core of L2 cache, while Raptor Lake has 2MB/core.

That probably won't show up on a spec sheet though unless they list total cache at which you could do the math. At lower power levels though I would not be conerned. If you are that concerned, maybe take a look at AMD? I know there are far less options that way but honestly I think you are overthinking it.

 

[Dave3000]

Ok

 

[Abwx]

If that can help there s a review of the 14400F wich is the iGPU less version of the 14400,
overall perfs are not wonderfull and efficency is low, not even up to a 5700G of old for both metrics.

https://www.computerbase.de/artikel/prozessoren/intel-core-i5-14400f-14500-cpu-test.86571/seite-2

 

[zir_blazer]

14400 and 14400F (And also 13400 and 13400F) can come in either C0 (Alder Lake) or B0 (Raptor Lake) versions. You can know what it is with the sSpec from Intel Ark Ordering & Compliance tab on CPU heatspreader if you have the Processor at hand, or CPU-Z if computer is working

14400 SRN3Q C0
14400 SRN46 B0
14400F SRN3R C0
14400F SRN47 B0

There was some rebading going on. I'm not the best one to ask maybe one of our resident Intel specialists might know more (Calling you @511 ). One way to easily tell is by the amount of cache. Alder Lake has 1.25MB/core of L2 cache, while Raptor Lake has 2MB/core.

IIRC those are the only models were Raptor Lake has nerfed Cache L2 to match Alder Lake

 

[511]

Just saw the thread

I thinking about buying a low-end pre-built system for a family member as a Christmas gift to replace her 15 year old PC, which is also a low-end tier, and I was considering one with an i5-14400 if it's actually a rebadged Alder Lake. I don't want to buy one with a Raptor Lake inside. I heard that early steppings of the 14400 are actually based on Alder Lake and the later steppings are based on Raptor Lake, so it's the luck of the draw if I end up with one with a rebadged Alder Lake i5-14400. I was consider a PowerSpec B687 and a HP OmniDesk S301-0041, but what are the chances of those having the Alder Lake based i5-14400? Otherwise I might get her a Dell Slim ECS1250 that has the i3-14100 (all those ones are based on Alder Lake right?).

14400 is a ADL part so it's not going to degrade and all the part you listed are ADL so degradation shouldn't be an issues it's basically a 12600K without K feature.

Edit: After checking stuff @zir_blazer is correct there may be alder lake/raptor lake mix but they shouldn't degrade considering the max clock is like 4.7 GHz but if you want a safer bet buy 12th gen or you can refer to this.

• Alder Lake and Raptor Lake mixed models:
  • 14400, 14400F
• Alder Lake models:
  • 14500, 14500T, 14490F, 14400T, 14100, 14100F, 14100T, 300, 300T

 

[Dave3000]

Just saw the thread

14400 is a ADL part so it's not going to degrade and all the part you listed are ADL so degradation shouldn't be an issues it's basically a 12600K without K feature.

Edit: After checking stuff @zir_blazer is correct there may be alder lake/raptor lake mix but they shouldn't degrade considering the max clock is like 4.7 GHz but if you want a safer bet buy 12th gen or you can refer to this.

• Alder Lake and Raptor Lake mixed models:
  • 14400, 14400F
• Alder Lake models:
  • 14500, 14500T, 14490F, 14400T, 14100, 14100F, 14100T, 300, 300T

I'm considering the Dell ECS1250 with the i3-14100, however it only has 8GB of RAM. For a little cheaper than that Dell system I can get a mini PC with a Ryzen 5 7640HS and 16GB RAM. She already has a good quality wireless keyboard and mouse.

 

[511]

I'm considering the Dell ECS1250 with the i3-14100, however it only has 8GB of RAM. For a little cheaper than that Dell system I can get a mini PC with a Ryzen 5 7640HS and 16GB RAM. She already has a good quality wireless keyboard and mouse.

I would avoid 14100 all together a 7640HS would be better than that like way better.
Also Is the mini PC GMKTec?
You can get a 12700H one as well for just slightly more as well depending on what you do
The only gripe with MiniPC is you can't upgrade the CPU.
I don't see problem with 14400 personally unlike the 14600/700/900K or the HX Laptop.

 

[Dave3000]

I would avoid 14100 all together a 7640HS would be better than that like way better.
Also Is the mini PC GMKTec?
You can get a 12700H one as well for just slightly more as well depending on what you do
The only gripe with MiniPC is you can't upgrade the CPU.
I don't see problem with 14400 personally unlike the 14600/700/900K or the HX Laptop.

It's a Minisforum. I was considering the GMKtech one with the i5-12450H CPU for $20 more as well and it has better single-core and multicore performance than the 7640HS according the the UserBenchmark website. She will not be gaming, that's for sure, so 4 p-cores + 4 e-cores and 16GB RAM should be more than enough especially in Windows 11 in her use case.

 

[Thunder 57]

It's a Minisforum. I was considering the GMKtech one with the i5-12450H CPU for $20 more as well and it has better single-core and multicore performance than the 7640HS according the the UserBenchmark website. She will not be gaming, that's for sure, so 4 p-cores + 4 e-cores and 16GB RAM should be more than enough especially in Windows 11 in her use case.

Never trust Loserbenchmark. It is so biased towards Intel that even the Intel subreddit banned it there. The 7640HS would be the better choice by far IMHO.

https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/g36a2a/userbenchmark_has_been_banned_from_rintel

 

[511]

It's a Minisforum. I was considering the GMKtech one with the i5-12450H CPU for $20 more as well and it has better single-core and multicore performance than the 7640HS according the the UserBenchmark website. She will not be gaming, that's for sure, so 4 p-cores + 4 e-cores and 16GB RAM should be more than enough especially in Windows 11 in her use case.

like Thunder said user benchmark is meh 7640HS should be better vs 12450H
12700H GMKTEC 16GB DDR4 and 512GB Storage
7640HS 16GB RAM 512GB Storage
7640HS 16/512
12950HX (12900K) in a PC basically
some options you can pick whichever one you want Intel's one are DDR4 also make sure to buy RAM and storage no barebones