I would like a Senior Moderator or higher to review a thread

[Creig]

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2092086&enterthread=y


I quoted a comment made by apoppin regarding Zstream and expressed my viewpoint that his threat of a "final warning" to Zstream was stepping beyond the scope of his power as a Moderator. keysplayr2003 was posting in the thread as a member of the AT community, and not in any role as a Moderator.

Originally posted by: Zstream
Sick come on, this is a stretch and you know it. Keys is not right, he only tries to bait people and it shows. Considering that most of the 320mb cards are overclocked and when running in 2d mode the Nvidia GPU use more power. So?

I also doubt in the enthusiast market 15-25 cents a month is even noticable. And no, to run a 2900XT you can run it fine on a 500W PSU.

I wait to see the come back for this one...

To which apoppin then edited to say:

Orignally posted by: Graphics Moderator apoppin
The "comeback" is your final warning about mod callouts!
- and to everyone else that is skating on thin ice in this thread.
Graphics moderator apoppin

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I then posted:

Originally posted by: Creig
apoppin, you cannot take action against someone who is responding to general comments made by somebody who happens to also be a moderator. If the comments being made are in direct relation to actions/warnings given by a moderator, then that is another matter. But moderators are also general members of the AT forums and should not be given any more or less latitude than is extended to everybody else while they are making non-moderator related posts.

I do not see where in Zstream's post that he is calling out keysplayr2003 because he is a moderator or any action he took while acting in a moderating role. Rather, it appears that the "comeback" is directed toward Zstream's assertion that keysplayr2003 tries to bait people while posting in a non-moderator capacity.



edit - Good God, I'm starting to sound like a lawyer.

And apoppin edited my post with:

Originally posted by: Graphics Moderator apoppin
You are *not* to edit out moderator comments in a post.

You do also not see Zstream's *pattern* of calling out Keys. i do. And IF you have a problem with my comments, then post in Personal Forum Issues.

Graphics Moderator apoppin

I then received a threatening PM from Graphics Moderator apoppin which said that if I did so again that he would give me a vacation. You have my permission to look at my PMs to verify.


The comments and threat made by him were TOTALLY uncalled for. As you can see for yourself in the thread, I was polite the entire time. I tried to nicely point out to apoppin the reason his comment to Zstream was out of line. Zstream was not commenting to keysplayr2003 because of any "mod callout" as apoppin stated in his edit. I am also unaware of any AT forums rule that says Moderator comments cannot be quoted as apoppin stated in his edit of my post.


I would like a Senior Moderator or Elite Senior Moderator to review apoppin's comments and PM to me and to please let me know the outcome. If apoppin's comments are found to be out of line with his position as a Moderator, I would like a public apology from apoppin and his assurance that he will not do so again and will not seek any sort of retribution against me for bringing this to your attention.

As you might be able to tell, I'm a bit ticked off that someone entrusted with Moderator status is abusing his privileges in this manner.

 

[Idontcare]

Just a suggestion for the mods, not necessarily for the OP, but "mod on mod" support like this wherein the mod who comes to the defense of another mod would probably be best handled if the mod who is rushing to make the defense were from another entirely unrelated forum.

Having graphics mods police each other is likely difficult to pull off as all the mods are invested in the thread topics in addition to their mod duties.

For example in this case, appopin should not be the one to rise up and defend keys, as appopin will be shouldering the duty of being perceived as partial to both keys (as a fellow mod) and the background of the offending poster based on the thread's contents.

In this case it could have been handled with different results were say the OT forum mod to come in and assess the language for what it is and determine if mod callouts are in fact occurring as the OT mod is less likely to be invested into postering in front of the other posters in the thread (no street cred is on the line).

 

[apoppin]

First of all Creig, you did edit out my *original* comment - made as a moderator this morning - hours ago. What you posted here as an example are my 2nd comments after you edited out my original ones to you.

Your edit of my message was the sole basis for my PM "threat" to not ever do it again. You may not edit out a mod's comments.

My warning to Zstream was based on my earlier warnings he had received by PM previously for calling out Keys - as moderator - in CPU forum. He complied with my PM requests and edited the offending posts.

EDIT: Since you have given permission to look at what i PM'med to you, i will post it here:

IF you edit my mod comments again, you will have the vacation
Graphics moderator apoppin

i am well within my rights as moderator to make that warning.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: apoppin
First of all Creig, you did edit out my *original* comment made as a moderator this morning, hours ago. What you posted as an example are my comments after you edited out my original ones to you.

That alone was the basis for my PM "threat" not to ever do it again. You may not edit out mod's comments.

Really? How in the world am I supposed to have edited Zstream's post since his is the one you originally commented in?

Originally posted by: Zstream

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Also keep in mind that you will save money on electricity by going with the more efficient 8800, plus your entire rig will run a little cooler, which will help out with your CPU and system temperatures.

You were really trying in your whole post, but this "point" is just laughable.

Care to tell us how much per year someone would save? Lets see some hard factual numbers here, not some number you think up.

Trying to what, exactly? What is he trying to do?

And then:
Does a 2900XT require and use more power than a 8800GTS320? (yes) (no)
Does a 2900XT run warmer than an 8800GTS320? (yes) (no)

Aside from an exact monetary figure of how much money a given user would save/lose going with either card, one would have to agree that it would cost $x.xx per year more to run a card that requires and used more power. Is it neglidgable? It sure could be. Is it substantial? It sure could be.

Yeah I agree...what was I trying to do?

Keys is right; your posting style *is* quite combative.

I can tell you what I was trying to do: give someone an honest reccomendation based on the facts. I said he would save money on electricity. Is that not true? You should perhaps consider the fact that if 1,000,000 used 2900XT's instead of GTS's, it could have a considerable environmental impact if nothing else.

I don't know how much it would cost per year. To me the bigger issue is the fact that you need a beefier PSU for the X2900XT. Even 90w more can get quite expensive. I'm pretty sure a 700w PSU is at least $30 more than a 600w PSU.

Sick come on, this is a stretch and you know it. Keys is not right, he only tries to bait people and it shows. Considering that most of the 320mb cards are overclocked and when running in 2d mode the Nvidia GPU use more power. So?

I also doubt in the enthusiast market 15-25 cents a month is even noticable. And no, to run a 2900XT you can run it fine on a 500W PSU.

I wait to see the come back for this one...

The "comeback" is your final warning about mod callouts!
- and to everyone else that is skating on thin ice in this thread.
Graphics moderator apoppin

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Edited: 09/06/2007 at 10:15 AM by AnandTech Moderator

The comment made by you in Zstream's post is exactly the same as what I quoted. There was no "editing" involved at all. In fact, you were the last one to edit BOTH his and my threads.

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: apoppin

The "comeback" is your final warning about mod callouts!
- and to everyone else that is skating on thin ice in this thread.
Graphics moderator apoppin

apoppin, you cannot take action against someone who is responding to general comments made by somebody who happens to also be a moderator. If the comments being made are in direct relation to actions/warnings given by a moderator, then that is another matter. But moderators are also general members of the AT forums and should not be given any more or less latitude than is extended to everybody else while they are making non-moderator related posts.

I do not see where in Zstream's post that he is calling out keysplayr2003 because he is a moderator or any action he took while acting in a moderating role. Rather, it appears that the "comeback" is directed toward Zstream's assertion that keysplayr2003 tries to bait people while posting in a non-moderator capacity.



edit - Good God, I'm starting to sound like a lawyer.

You are *not* to edit out moderator comments in a post.

You do also not see Zstream's *pattern* of calling out Keys. i do. And IF you have a problem with my comments, then post in Personal Forum Issues.

Graphics Moderator apoppin

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There are no stupid questions, but there are a LOT of inquisitive idiots.

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Edited: 09/06/2007 at 10:52 PM by AnandTech Moderator

If I had been the last one to edit my post, then it would have shown my name. Accusing me of editing your comments is yet further proof of your willingness to abuse your Moderator status for personal attacks. I believe AT keeps a record of edits for just such an occasion. I would ask a Senior Moderator or Elite Senior Moderator to check the records to see if I did in fact edit Video Moderator apoppin's comment.

If apoppin is found to be lying, this represent an EXTREME abuse of his Moderator status and I would take his threat to give me a vacation because of it VERY seriously.

Originally posted by: apoppin
My comment to Zstream was based on my earlier warnings he had received by PM previously for calling out Keys - as moderator - in CPU forum.

That is not what you posted however. You stated:

Originally posted by: apoppin
The "comeback" is your final warning about mod callouts!
- and to everyone else that is skating on thin ice in this thread.
Graphics moderator apoppin

Since you specifically stated his response in this thread was a "mod callout", that is what I used to base my comment on. And from what I (and others) could see, there was no "mod callout" involved at all. I cannot help it if you chose to use the wrong terminology to threaten Zstream with.

 

[apoppin]

You still don't get it?
--the *reason* for my PM ?!!

You edited out *my mod* comments in YOUR post this morning
i.e. <<edit - Good God, I'm starting to sound like a lawyer. >>
--You are replying to my SECOND set of comments this evening in that same post.

... i do not like being accused of lying.
--i would appreciate an apology from you.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: apoppin
You still don't get it?
--the *reason* for my PM ?!!

You edited out *my mod* comments in YOUR post this morning
i.e. <<edit - Good God, I'm starting to sound like a lawyer. >>
--You are replying to my SECOND set of comments this evening in that same post.

... i do not like being accused of lying.
--i would appreciate an apology from you.

I have no idea what you're talking about. I never saw any comment from you in my post when I edited it to add the "Good God, I'm starting to sound like a lawyer." comment. The only possible thing I can think of is that you edited it while I still had my edit window open. Then when I submitted it, it overwrote the entire post and any comment you may have placed there. Then YOU edited it again.

If that's the case then you STILL should not have accused me of editing out your comment without being 100% sure that I had done so intentionally. Threatening somebody with a vacation when they have not done anything to warrant it is not something Moderators are supposed to do.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: apoppin
You still don't get it?
--the *reason* for my PM ?!!

You edited out *my mod* comments in YOUR post this morning
i.e. <<edit - Good God, I'm starting to sound like a lawyer. >>
--You are replying to my SECOND set of comments this evening in that same post.

... i do not like being accused of lying.
--i would appreciate an apology from you.

I have no idea what you're talking about. I never saw any comment from you in my post when I edited it to add the "Good God, I'm starting to sound like a lawyer." comment. The only possible thing I can think of is that you edited it while I still had my edit window open. Then when I submitted it, it overwrote the entire post and any comment you may have placed there. Then YOU edited it again.

If that's the case then you STILL should not have accused me of editing out your comment without being 100% sure that I had done so intentionally. Threatening somebody with a vacation when they have not done anything to warrant it is not something Moderators are supposed to do.

Evidently that IS the case ... IF you had intentionally edited out my comment, you would have definitely deserved a vacation.

and if you will please note the way i did it ...

i PMmed you first to let you know that i was unhappy with your edit [and Keys also to get his opinion] ... i waited 11 minutes and then edited your post [for the second time] to make it 'official' - and even my public comment was still no "threat" to you.

IF you had chosen to keep it private and PM me that it was not intentional - or that you had no clue what edit i was talking about - there would have been no need for this thread and we would have settled it quietly.

... as it is, it shows the Senior Mods what a good job i am doing ... if there were never any misunderstandings [in Video !] they would think i was asleep
- or dead.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Creig
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2092086&enterthread=y


I quoted a comment made by apoppin regarding Zstream and expressed my viewpoint that his threat of a "final warning" to Zstream was stepping beyond the scope of his power as a Moderator. keysplayr2003 was posting in the thread as a member of the AT community, and not in any role as a Moderator.

Originally posted by: Zstream
Sick come on, this is a stretch and you know it. Keys is not right, he only tries to bait people and it shows. Considering that most of the 320mb cards are overclocked and when running in 2d mode the Nvidia GPU use more power. So?

I also doubt in the enthusiast market 15-25 cents a month is even noticable. And no, to run a 2900XT you can run it fine on a 500W PSU.

I wait to see the come back for this one...

To which apoppin then edited to say:

Orignally posted by: Graphics Moderator apoppin
The "comeback" is your final warning about mod callouts!
- and to everyone else that is skating on thin ice in this thread.
Graphics moderator apoppin

[/i]


I then posted:

Originally posted by: Creig
apoppin, you cannot take action against someone who is responding to general comments made by somebody who happens to also be a moderator. If the comments being made are in direct relation to actions/warnings given by a moderator, then that is another matter. But moderators are also general members of the AT forums and should not be given any more or less latitude than is extended to everybody else while they are making non-moderator related posts.

I do not see where in Zstream's post that he is calling out keysplayr2003 because he is a moderator or any action he took while acting in a moderating role. Rather, it appears that the "comeback" is directed toward Zstream's assertion that keysplayr2003 tries to bait people while posting in a non-moderator capacity.



edit - Good God, I'm starting to sound like a lawyer.

And apoppin edited my post with:

Originally posted by: Graphics Moderator apoppin
You are *not* to edit out moderator comments in a post.

You do also not see Zstream's *pattern* of calling out Keys. i do. And IF you have a problem with my comments, then post in Personal Forum Issues.

Graphics Moderator apoppin

I then received a threatening PM from Graphics Moderator apoppin which said that if I did so again that he would give me a vacation. You have my permission to look at my PMs to verify.


The comments and threat made by him were TOTALLY uncalled for. As you can see for yourself in the thread, I was polite the entire time. I tried to nicely point out to apoppin the reason his comment to Zstream was out of line. Zstream was not commenting to keysplayr2003 because of any "mod callout" as apoppin stated in his edit. I am also unaware of any AT forums rule that says Moderator comments cannot be quoted as apoppin stated in his edit of my post.


I would like a Senior Moderator or Elite Senior Moderator to review apoppin's comments and PM to me and to please let me know the outcome. If apoppin's comments are found to be out of line with his position as a Moderator, I would like a public apology from apoppin and his assurance that he will not do so again and will not seek any sort of retribution against me for bringing this to your attention.

As you might be able to tell, I'm a bit ticked off that someone entrusted with Moderator status is abusing his privileges in this manner.

I reviewed appopins edits and actions and believe they were for the most part appropriate. Next time you have a question regarding a Mods action do not derail a thread commenting on them. There are proper channels to go through as explained in the rules for posting.

Anandtech Senior Moderator
Red Dawn